Time for another THR Superstar!

This series of interviews is to celebrate people working hard to promote THR (Tobacco Harm Reduction) and stand up for those of us who want and need safer nicotine products.

This week it is Dr Marewa Glover who is a wonderful advocate for THR and indigenous people in New Zealand and Worldwide.

She even won awards for her work, including reaching the final of the “New Zealander of the Year Supreme award” in 2019.

Of course if you are on X / Twitter you will see her hard work for yourself. She regularly posts related studies plus her appearances at conferences and in the media.

Great 1st day of @SCOHREOrg #NoSmokeSummit23 tomorrow I will be part of a panel with David Sweanor @FarsalinosK @NannyFreeState & Fernando Bueno #harmreduction Join online pic.twitter.com/SSZy65o6HC

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) September 25, 2023

In 2018 she established the Centre of Research Excellence: Indigenous Sovereignty & Smoking.

Have had a busy first yr getting my Centre of Research set up; 2 jnl articles submitted in this last week & successful launch of a report on Suki & Tobacco Use Among the iTaukei People of Fiji yesterday. Village reps in attendance pledged to make homes smokefree #startup pic.twitter.com/1QmKMXdv3S

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) June 29, 2019

Tell me a little about your life and career so far…

I grew up in Auckland, New Zealand (NZ).

My grandfather (28th Māori Battalion). I never met him but grew up knowing his brothers: Uncle Ted had war injuries, Uncle Len, Uncle Sid, his sister Auntie Pauline. #ANZAC #LestWeForget pic.twitter.com/ZlAvDxllQV

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) April 24, 2022

My first ‘job’ at 13-years-old involved getting up at 4am to help Dad deliver milk. By 15, I was living with my Mum, her husband, and my two younger sisters in an outback city in Australia. Luckily, I went to boarding school during the week. On the weekends, I did Waitressing in our hotel dining room, sometimes housekeeping cleaning rooms and occasionally I had to mop the public bar floor and gross toilets at 2am. I began my first real full time job at 16.

After several years of some horrid experiences with some screwed up people, I thought I could help by becoming a Psychologist. So, I began a Bachelor of Arts. That got me started in community health.

Seeing #FearlessGirl in Melbourne today quite triggering, as reminded me of my child self standing up to my abusive father, step-father & all the men & mostly male colleagues who have tried to destroy me; & they’re still firing off their defamatory emails & op eds #bullying pic.twitter.com/4ZOJoV8o6i

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) March 5, 2019

I then did a Master of Social Science majoring in Psychology and simultaneously a Diploma in Community Psychology.

This led to working as a Policy Analyst in public health, which is when I committed my career to reducing smoking-related morbidity and mortality. To be taken seriously however, I realised I needed a Ph.D. So, I went back to university.

In 2001, I graduated as a Behavioural Scientist – the first person in NZ to do a Doctorate on smoking cessation. Thus far, I have worked on helping people to stop smoking for 24 years.

Have you smoked? If so, how long did you smoke for?

I smoked rarely with school friends from age 13. From 16, once working full time, I smoked daily.

I developed chronic Bronchitis after only 5-6 years and was probably told by a Doctor to quit. After a bit of stop start, I managed to stop permanently.

Do you vape? If so, when did you start?

I tried vaping, without nicotine, just to understand it better.

How did vaping / THR change your life?

Vaping has changed my life, not because I vape but because I became an advocate for vaping to reduce smoking-related diseases and associated deaths more rapidly.

For 10 years previous I was involved with End Smoking NZ and we had been lobbying for Swedish snus to be adopted as a harm reduction option in NZ. We didn’t get snus. So, when vaping came along, we investigated that and became the first group in NZ to start lobbying for vaping.

I could not have predicted how vicious and underhanded the NZ and Australian tobacco control prohibitionists would be towards me. What they began was textbook mobbing. Their goal was to get rid of me and make sure I would never work on smoking ever again.

Jean-Francois Etter @etterjf talk on @SmokeFreeFdn #ecigsummit incl detail on harassment & exclusion of grantees incl me; many of his challenges for FSFW difficult to address if ppl who assoc are bullied not to collaborate/advise. He called for stronger condemnation of #bullying pic.twitter.com/mTbqfr9Q6q

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) November 14, 2019

However, there are some truly good and honourable people in the world.

Horrified by what he saw, a Dean at another university employed me as an Associate Professor in Public Health. I was later promoted to Professor. I could no longer get research funding to do anything on smoking due to the peer-influenced funding process in NZ. So, I was effectively out of tobacco control, except for my voluntary role as Chairperson of End Smoking NZ.

My life changed again when I was granted funding from the Foundation for a Smoke-Free World to start my own Centre of Research Excellence: Indigenous Sovereignty & Smoking. The tobacco control folk, who believed they had eliminated me, flew into a rage. Locally, they fired up the media to do “Hit Pieces” on me, they wrote screeds of (un)scientific Ad Hominem attack papers, they demanded that the Ministry of Health and other health groups blacklisted me, and most did.

What current projects / campaigns are you working on?

With my Centre established, I began an ambitious programme of research looking at smoking prevalence among Indigenous peoples worldwide.

I trialled, or funded, some cessation interventions for Māori pregnant women who smoke.

Innovative #Indigenous trial to help pregnant Māori women to stop smoking combines traditional knowledge & practices + digital tools, incl app using #AugmentedReality Run during lockdown. Very different approach; gr8 potential. High use of #vaping Tumeke! https://t.co/Bj0Nbe03nb pic.twitter.com/xfcDRS8L0S

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) June 1, 2021

I began a longitudinal qualitative study to identify the facilitators and barriers to stopping smoking or switching to vaping among adults who didn’t want to quit. Their stories can be followed at www.voicesofthe5percent.nz. We analysed the rise in robberies of tobacco from retailers, and much more.

What do you feel needs to change regarding tobacco harm reduction worldwide?

Regulators (mostly) rely on science to justify law changes. They are being misled about tobacco harm reduction. This manipulation is enacted primarily by academics who are anti-THR. Some are ideologically driven, some are naïve to the topic. Some are just not very good researchers and some are opportunists chasing funding and status.

To change this, academia worldwide needs to implement processes aimed at monitoring and stopping unprofessional and unethical behaviour. Applications for research funding and proposed unfunded studies and papers should be assessed internally before being released into the world. Assessment should look for bias, including ideological bias, honesty, and to ensure the rationale is well-founded in robust science. The assessment needs to be done by independent scientific experts.

This should stop Ad Hominem attacks, scientifically flawed and weak work, and shabby writing.

I’m no cartoonist so pls excuse my scribble but this FB memory today from 2016 was somewhat prophetic re #vaping @FDATobacco Big Tobacco Control & the hidden long arm of Big Pharma. pic.twitter.com/Pb0GjhEBhZ

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) October 5, 2021

Any countries you feel are succeeding in THR?

Sweden is the leading exemplar. Japan, Iceland, South Korea, NZ, the UK and even the USA. Late-comers to watch are the Philippines.

Proud to be a co-author on Savings Lives Like Sweden report launching now & available at @SmokeFreeSweden The report estimates lives that could be saved in other countries if they adopted Sweden’s #HarmReduction approach to reducing smoking pic.twitter.com/J0VeNWGiT8

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) June 21, 2023

What additional problems do indigenous people face when it comes to harm reduction? Is there a lot of health inequality?

About 476 million people living across 90 countries are Indigenous. Their circumstances vary widely. There is very little data on smoking prevalence for most of them. Where data exists, mostly Indigenous peoples have disproportionately higher smoking rates.

In the USA and Australia, like regulators, many Indigenous tribal groups are being misled about the vastly lower risk of tobacco harm reduction products compared with continuing to smoke.

In Australia for example, tobacco control is controlled by non-Indigenous anti-THR academics and government officials. It is they who are blocking Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people from having access to risk-reduced alternatives to smoking. They control the funding of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island health services.

Sweden allows their citizens access to low risk alternatives to smoking: #snus #vaping, oral nicotine pouches. Smoking down to 5%, lowest rates of smoking-related diseases & deaths in Europe. Indigenous Saami have used #snus for 100+yrs. #evidence #truth #saveslives pic.twitter.com/GIXjDltC0K

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) July 1, 2023

If an Aboriginal service embraces vaping, their funding will be cut. If an Aboriginal person dared to advocate for THR, they will receive the same treatment I did. The Indigenous peoples of Australia have multiple critical health problems to address. If they lost their job or status, they would lose their ability to influence positive changes across the full range of inequities undermining their health.

What harm reduction measures would improve the health of indigenous people?

Smoking is a leading cause of disease and premature death. Vaping, snus, oral nicotine pouches, heated tobacco products, alone or in combination, or in combination with nicotine replacement products could all help to reduce smoking consumption and prevalence which would, in time, reduce smoking- and tobacco chewing-related diseases.

How would you advise vapers to get involved and stand up for their rights?

People who smoke and people who vape or use other risk-reduced alternatives to smoking have a right to have their opinions considered by regulators and health authorities.

What is your proudest moment in your advocacy career?

Getting to Professor and being one of three Finalists for the 2019 New Zealander of the Year Supreme Award! The award committee wanted to recognise what I had done across my career to reduce smoking in NZ. Advocating for vaping which triggered a more rapid reduction in smoking was part of that.

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

“Raise The Bar Academia”. Academia needs to remember its purpose and raise professional and ethical standards across research and teaching. Set a goal to lift science to a rigorous standard – starting in medical schools and the health sciences.

Important panel @thegtnf to discuss the widespread ignorance of what nicotine is, what effect it has on people & the prolific disinformation campaign spreading lies about it. @CarolynBeaumont Delon Human @SmokeFreeSweden David Sweanor, Hiroya Kumamaru, Mohamadi Sarker pic.twitter.com/WlD4yeNUg0

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) September 20, 2023

Who (or W.H.O. hahaha ) is the biggest enemy when it comes to tobacco harm reduction?

The World Health Organisation decision-making politicians, regulators, and government officials, and the philanthropists funding the World Health Organisation are being fed a diet of disinformation.

There are many seminal texts about why this is happening. Two I found enlightening were:

• Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media – a 1988 book by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky.
• Powershift: Knowledge, Wealth and Violence at the Edge of the 21st Century – a 1990 book by Alvin Toffler.

Is there a message you would like to give our readers?

Stopping violence, lies and fraud starts with each one of us. Strive to live by values incompatible with these harmful behaviours. Value honesty, humility, and respect. Act with compassion. Be a truth-seeker. But also, you must protect yourself, your family, and your organisations. Hone your bullshit-detector. Do what you can to make the world a safer place for the most vulnerable – children, girls, and women.

Nicotine in albeit gone Apr’25. What will happen? Mahalia says “there’ll be more crime. There’ll be positive impacts on people and then of course there’s negatives and the negative will always outweigh the good that it’s doing.” Insight from real people https://t.co/GvbxDJFaca pic.twitter.com/Y1gdlZN8uz

— Prof Marewa Glover (@MarewaGlover) August 4, 2023

Finally, if you could give an “Ecigclick Award” to any person, product, or company in the vaping industry / advocacy circle – who / what would it be?

There are so many THR inventors, scientists, advocates, manufacturers, retailers, and consumers that deserve awards. I would like there to be a Champion Wall where all of them could be honoured for their part in saving the many lives that have been saved already.

Thank you Ecigclick for this opportunity to share a bit about my career.

Thank You

Well thank you to Dr Marewa for taking the time to chat to us and help us to understand the issues faced by indigenous people.

I think we all agree how hard she works to get the voices of the oppressed heard. Thank you for all you do!

If you would like to follow Dr Marewa Glover you can find her:

Twitter / X : MarewaGlover

Centre of Research Excellence Indigenous Sovereignty & Smoking: coreiss.com

Voices of the 5%: voicesofthe5percent.nz.

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Time to showcase another excellent THR Superstar! This series is dedicated to showing appreciation to those who work hard to stand up for Tobacco Harm Reduction (THR).

This interview is with Kevin Crowley who you will see about a lot on Twitter / X promoting safer nicotine products and standing up against those who are creating misinformation on the topic.

Also Kevin is one of the people behind the excellent resource “Vapers Digest” produced by Vapers.org. Here you will find a great round up of recent THR news – we have appeared on here regularly – for which we are very grateful.

Also you can see and hear him on the Son Of Liberty Radio every Friday night.

Tell me a little about your life and career so far.

I’ve been married 31 years, have two adult children, and a now 5-year-old grandchild. I was in the taxicab industry for 20+ years, and home security industry for 10+ years.

Because this exists, this is my sister and I. Early ’70’s.

Coats under costumes in Taxachussets were always mandatory.

I’m still the sweet one.#HalloweenCostumes. pic.twitter.com/PbsjsiGGaP

— VapingIT, SPE, EEI (@Vapingit) October 24, 2023

Have you smoked? If so how long did you smoke for?

I smoked. I started at 9, and did for about 35 years.

Do you vape? If so when did you start? What was your first kit?

Yep. I tried it in May of 2013. It was a ‘cig-a-like‘. I was unconvinced it would work, sure it wouldn’t. It was a disposable style. I was impressed, and got two “Krave” kits the next day (one for the wife). We both accidentally stopped smoking in under 48 hours.

Hate to disappoint you. It’s 10 years each not smoking for the wife and I. That’s 20 collective years.

We’re not not dead yet.

I’ll keep trying for you.

Anyone else?https://t.co/MZlrohGMu8 https://t.co/IFEetLzdri pic.twitter.com/b9sZZroEIx

— VapingIT, SPE, EEI (@Vapingit) October 13, 2023

How did vaping change your life?

Wow, great question. I thought I’d be a professional smoker (a former co-worker gave me that title) my whole life. Turns out, I stopped.

I came from a long line of proud smokers. It seems my Mom was the only one who didn’t smoke. Breathing being better – very quickly, was the first thing I noticed.

When I got into advocating, I thought I was going to change the world. Turns out, the world, and the wonderful resource of others who had quit with vaping, was changing me – in education, perspective, and finding ‘science’. Turns out everything I believed about what we’re told by various ‘trusted’ sources – isn’t always the truth.

What kits stand out for you in your vaping journey and what is your current set up? What kind of device do you prefer?

I’m not a big gear/equipment guy… I did the cig-a-like, found an Ego / CE4 top pretty quickly, and then eventually moved to a Nautilus tank primarily. Now, my go to is a Zlide Tube/Top. Reminiscent of the Ego, lasting power, great consistency and dependability and easy to show anyone interested how using it isn’t complicated.

-My vaping [tobacco] product caused me to quit smoking+ years ago.

-Multiple unexpected results: better breathing, improved health.

-Strange, my sense of taste & smell came back immediately.

-I became aware of #publichealth lies after about 6 months of use.

Is that normal? pic.twitter.com/B0zUF3w2Ya

— VapingIT, SPE, EEI (@Vapingit) October 19, 2023

What flavour is your preference?

I’m in the minority, and love my tobacco flavour. I occasionally will use other variations of tobacco. My wife, on the other hand… well, she loves flavours. Except tobacco!

When did you first become involved in vaping advocacy / tobacco harm reduction and why?

Toward the end of 2014. I’d heard something fabricated on the news.

The rabbit hole I entered brought me to David Goerlitz and his blog. That, in turn, infuriated me. I decided to channel that anger, and it brought me on a mission to try to help ‘change the conversation’ and change the misperceptions about less harmful alternatives.

Inspired by a conversation my friend and I were having, and importantly, the questions he asked before he tried, among other things, inspired me to do a consumer survey in December of 2014. It was to get a first-hand view of our voices so others could evaluate what they read – and make informed decisions for themselves.

What current roles do you hold within THR? Also explain more about the organization(s) and how you got involved.

I contribute to Vapers Digest and normally do Wednesday’s edition.

I was asked to be on Son Of Liberty Radio and it turned in to a regular conversation every Friday night.

2 minutes and 20 seconds of last nights #sonoflibertyradio. @marewaglover discussing tobacco control's carrot and stick methods of behavior modification and social separation. This is why we fight for #vaping #notAbot #botshit crazy pic.twitter.com/tPJUl0Zbf2

— #sonoflibertyradio (@nachtnoir) October 19, 2019

What current projects / campaigns are you working on?

I am a perpetual chucklehead with Patrick on Son Of Liberty Radio.

What do you feel needs to change regarding tobacco harm reduction Worldwide?

There is no room for pseudoscience or modal verbs and phrases. There is no excuse for professional complacency. Those who have the ‘power’ and ability to stand up need to stand UP and make those who are concealing or ignoring the truth, accountable. Publicly. Few pros do it, and I admire those who do.

Any countries you feel are succeeding in THR?

Sweden – snus!?! Who would’ve thought! Also, while I don’t agree with imposed limitations, the UK.

How would you advise vapers to get involved and stand up for their rights?

To be ultra-aware. To be #louder. Make yourselves known. To be inspired by others, and inspire others. To listen to the content – even when you don’t like it because you may learn something. To ask questions if you don’t know something! There are some VERY smart consumers on Twitter who can decipher ‘research’.

To do things out of our comfort zone. To change the conversation with data and science each appropriate time. To understand what works for you may not work for others. Everyone is different. To see different types of harm reductions methods as having their place, and merit.

Have you ever been “star struck” meeting people who you admire – so who?

I have a list of my favourite humans, but there are SO many – they know who they are! I met Ann and Shannon in Milwaukee in 2016, along with David Goerlitz at the premier of A Billion Lives.

Also I met Dr. Brad Rodu – one I consider being one of the pioneers of THR – here in Ohio during an event.

What is your proudest moment in your advocacy career?

Well, there are a quite a few!

Finding out Dr. Glover had quoted/mentioned my survey response during a Symposium on Ecigs in New Zealand.

Co-interviewing and having conversations with some fabulous people on Son Of Liberty Radio.

Having been identified – with others, as a bot.

When Marc Slis mentioned me in Washington, DC wearing my ugly mug on his shirt.

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

Making all public health officials liable and accountable for both their words and actions, and inactions.

Who (or W.H.O. hahaha ) is the biggest enemy when it comes to tobacco harm reduction?

I love this question. Because there are so many, it’s very incestuous, isn’t it? It seems any facet of “public health”. Any organisation, any ‘expert’ suppressing or denying human rights to a less harmful alternative is a threat, and to withhold that is a crime. It’s hard to determine ‘WHO’s’ in charge!

Is there a message you would like to give our readers?

#LOUDER. To be a voice. Join a consumer group. To advocate for whatever works for the informed consumer, your friends, family, fellow humans. Patches, gums, Heat not burn, vaping, snus, acupuncture, books, hypnosis, counselling… do I like them all? Nope, but it’s not about me or you, or what ‘we’ like, what may work for them is first and they all may need a variety of options. Any informed choice literally comes down to a personal preference, and choice.

Finally if you could give an “Ecigclick Award” to any person, product or company in the vaping industry / advocacy circle – who / what would it be?

Hard choice! There are so many wonderful human beings and unsung heroes out there, some are quiet… so I’d nominate every single consumer and vape shop owner and worker for doing what they do, especially Bernie, the vape shop dog(!), Dr. Brad Rodu, and everyone’s significant other who advocates, especially my wife.

Thank You

Thank you Kevin for taking the time to chat with us and for all the work you do exposing misinformation and advocating for safer nicotine alternatives. You are very appreciated!

P.S. – I also adore Bernie the Vape Shop Dog, she is absolutely stunning – as a fellow Bull Breed Owner it is amazing to see them represented positively!

You can find Kevin in the following places…

Twitter: Vapingit

Blog: https://vapinglinks.wordpress.com/

Facebook: Kevin-Crowley

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We have another “THR Superstar” for you!

This time it is the very well respected Dr Colin Mendelsohn MB BS (Hons) who is an excellent harm reduction advocate.

The reason for the THR Superstar series is to celebrate those who work tirelessly for those who use safer nicotine products and fight for our rights.

I am sure you will agree that Colin is definitely in that category!

Tell me a little about your life and career so far…

I am a retired Australian academic and medical practitioner with a special interest in smoking for over 40 years (yes, I am very old!) and more recently vaping. I became interested in smoking early in my career when asked to help in a smoking cessation training workshop for GP’s and have been addicted to smoking ever since! But seriously, my father and wife’s father both died of cancer from smoking, so I was already concerned about how I could help smokers quit.

However, even as a smoking specialist, most of my smoking patients could not quit. This was incredibly discouraging to patients, but also to me! I was supposed to be an expert. When I started to hear about vaping around 2015 and saw how it could help addicted smokers, I went to the UK and met with Professor Peter Hajek, Martin Dockrell and Clive Bates who confirmed my impression that vaping had huge potential to help smokers quit. I also met with Gerry Stimson on a visit to Australia and that really helped to lock me in.

I have been following the scientific research very closely since then and have treated thousands of smokers with vaping, with considerable success.

However, vaping is almost universally opposed in Australia and harshly restricted. In 2017, several colleagues and I established the Australian Tobacco Harm Reduction Association (ATHRA), a health promotion charity dedicated to sharing accurate information about vaping and tobacco harm reduction and advocating for sensible vaping law reform.

My single-minded mission (obsession) over the last eight years has been to advocate for vaping and sensible regulation in Australia and other countries.

Have you been a smoker? If so how long did you smoke for?

My only smoking experience was to puff on a cigarette butt left on the ground by my father. Fortunately, it didn’t take and I have not smoked since. However, I have enormous empathy for smokers. Most regretted ever starting and would dearly love to quit but are simply not able to do so, in spite of repeated attempts. Apart from being deadly, smoking is stigmatised and a dreadful waste of money.

Do you vape?

I have never vaped. However, I do sometimes suck a nicotine lozenge when I have to concentrate hard and I find that helps. We know nicotine has many positive effects including improved cognitive function, and does little harm, so I am comfortable doing that.

If I was going to vape, I would probably choose a high-quality pod device, such as Relx or Wild by Instinct. Both have very low levels of harmful emissions and are likely to cause little harm. They are also discreet and very easy to use. I have a sweet tooth, so would probably vape a sweet flavour such as Butterscotch or Vanilla.

How did vaping change your life?

I have to admit that I have become obsessed with vaping. I have retired as a doctor, but still spend most of my time on advocacy, research, writing articles and teaching about vaping. My wife says I am married to my computer as well as her! She also says I work too hard, and she is right again on that too.

As a doctor, it is clear to me that the most effective thing I can do to improve society is to help someone stop smoking. Smoking is deadly and expensive, especially in Australia where we have the highest prices in the world. A pack of 20 of the leading brand costs AUD 40 compared to AUD 25 in the UK. Vaping is the most effective and most popular quitting aid. If I can make an impact on having vaping accepted in Australia, I will save more lives than I have in 40 year of medical practice. I will also save people a lot of money.

What is your current role in advocacy?

I work with closely with my colleague Dr Alex Wodak. Alex is an international legend in drug harm reduction and has played a key role in Australia and internationally in the introduction of Medically Supervised Injecting Rooms, needle exchange programs and drug law reform. I have learnt a lot from Alex and we make a great team.

Vaping regulations are in the hands of key policymakers, particularly politicians. We spend a lot of our time meeting with state and federal politicians to educate them and push for sensible vaping law reform. I prepare a regular newsletter which goes out to members of all the Australian parliaments.

I also do a lot of media work, writing opinion pieces, letters to the editor of newspapers and radio and media interviews. This is important to win the hearts and minds of the public as this will influence politicians who are driven by public opinion.

Click below to watch Colin Mendelsohn slam the Australian health minister over vaping misinformation

Got a spare minute or two? Check out our GFN•TV shorts on Youtube for bitesize chunks of exclusive interviews with the best minds in THR!https://t.co/QNEDEvf4WA

— Global Forum on Nicotine (@GFNicotine) September 21, 2023

Alex and I make submissions to government enquiries and health organisations and write reports on vaping for various stakeholders.

What I enjoy most though is studying the medical research on vaping. I try to keep up with all the latest evidence so I can share this with the media and other stakeholders. The misinformation on vaping and nicotine by the public and health ‘experts’ is breathtaking and needs to be regularly corrected.

We now have robust scientific evidence that #vaping, while not risk-free, carries only a tiny fraction of the cancer risk of smoking

Quitting smoking is best. If you can’t quit, switching to vaping will dramatically reduce your cancer riskhttps://t.co/7h9ECWRyzG…

— Dr Colin Mendelsohn (@ColinMendelsohn) September 24, 2023

What is the biggest challenge you face as a vaping advocate?

I find it incredibly frustrating. The science is now clear that vaping is the most effective quitting aid for adult smokers and carries only a small fraction of the risk of smoking.

However, there is almost universal opposition to vaping in Australia, largely based on scaremongering and misinformation. Vaping is opposed by all nine health departments, all health charities, public health organisations and all but one medical associations. Views and vaping on are being driven by everything but the science. Vaping is opposed for ideological and political reasons, because of vested and financial interests and moral values. Authorities seem to have very little empathy for smokers and the huge potential that vaping could have for public health.

Australia has gone from being a world leader in Tobacco Control to a world loser and this is likely to continue for some time
A rational approach to #vaping and tobacco harm reduction could help us get back on track
My interview with @2FIRSTS at #GTNF 23https://t.co/N6oQNepQuD…

— Dr Colin Mendelsohn (@ColinMendelsohn) September 22, 2023

Even Australia’s peak health and medical research organisation, the National Health and Medical Research Centre has drunk the anti-vaping cool aid and opposes vaping. I publicly resigned from the Australian Medical Association because of their unscientific views on vaping.

Vaping opponents exaggerate the risks of vaping, ignore the compelling evidence and refuse to engage with pro-vaping experts, a sure sign they know that they are defending the indefensible.

The Minister for Health @Mark_Butler_MP is on a mission this week, waging a war on #vaping in an effort to “make Australia great again” in the field of tobacco control

I fact check his claims and find that the first casualty in this war is truthhttps://t.co/3wnpBIZfRI…

— Dr Colin Mendelsohn (@ColinMendelsohn) September 13, 2023

What is your biggest frustration as an advocate?

As Australia’s most vocal advocate, I am frequently smeared and subjected to relentless nasty, personal attacks. I am regularly accused of being funded by Big Tobacco or the vaping industry. However, all my advocacy is at my own expense. I have never received any funding from tobacco or e-cigarette companies. When I was younger, this would have been unbearable. Now it only makes me more determined.

Simon’s obsession with me continues with another pet name:
“Tobacco and vaping conference globe-trotter Colin Mendelsohn”

I don’t follow Simon, but Maurice felt it was important to let me know that Simon had written about me and @AlexWodak. How sweet!https://t.co/oZZxf7gi6Q pic.twitter.com/c3wSRIAsEP

— Dr Colin Mendelsohn (@ColinMendelsohn) September 26, 2023

I am also incredibly disappointed that so many of Australia’s elite health bodies oppose vaping in spite of the evidence supporting it. So many of the organisations I had previously respected are stubbornly stuck in a parallel universe where science no longer seems to matter. They just keep digging deeper holes.

What current projects / campaigns are you working on?

My main focus at present is reform of the Australian vaping regulations. Australia’s regulatory model is a ‘de facto’ ban and has predictably been a resounding failure. Vapers are required to have a nicotine prescription from a doctor to vape and can then legally buy nicotine from a pharmacy or from overseas. However very few doctors will write scripts and very few pharmacists stock nicotine. Consumers have also rejected the prescription model and only 8% have a prescription.

As we predicted, the ‘ban’ has created a thriving black-market controlled by criminal gangs. Over 90 million illegal, dodgy, unregulated vapes are imported from China each year and sold freely to adults and children from retail outlets, social media and online. This has led to high youth vaping rates, and criminal groups now control the market, with regular reports of fire-bombings of shops, gang wars and murders. It’s appalling.

The Health Minister’s solution is to double down on the ban, increase policing and border protection, ban disposables and flavours. It won’t work and things will only get worse. The only way to eliminate a black market is to replace it with a legal, regulated market. I see Australia’s vaping model as a slow, inevitable train-wreck for the near future.

The crackdown on #vaping by @NSWHealth will only push black market supplies underground
It is time to sell regulated products from licensed retail outlets to help adult smokers quit and to youth access

My interview on @ABC Illawarra
Listen https://t.co/j29gpbLJkk pic.twitter.com/M0YbBckkpw

— Dr Colin Mendelsohn (@ColinMendelsohn) September 28, 2023

End of rant.

What do you feel needs to change regarding tobacco harm reduction worldwide?

It’s simple. We need to follow the evidence. We need brave policymakers to call out the lies and agendas of anti-vaping organisations and develop evidence-based risk-proportionate regulation with accurate risk communication so that vaping can help the millions of smokers who need it.

Alex is a veteran of many drug harm reduction campaigns over the last 40 years. He repeatedly says that all campaigns faced ferocious resistance for some years, as they challenge the status quo. This has included Medically Supervised Injecting Rooms, condoms to prevent HIV and pill testing. Over time they start being accepted. Years later we look back and see how effective they are and wonder why we didn’t introduce them earlier.

How safe is #vaping and is it an effective quitting aid?@alexwodak and I gave a talk today at Grand Rounds at St Vincents’ Hospital, Sydney

Vaping poses only a small fraction of the risk of smoking and is more effective than #NRT. The latest evidence https://t.co/03INtAvn9z…

— Dr Colin Mendelsohn (@ColinMendelsohn) August 22, 2023

I know we are on the right side of history and that keeps me going, but it is incredibly frustrating sometimes.

Any countries you feel are succeeding in THR?

The UK and New Zealand have the best regulatory models for vaping in my opinion. This involves selling strictly regulated nicotine vapes as adult consumer products from licensed retail outlets with stringent age verification, like cigarettes and alcohol. Vapes are subject to sensible risk-proportionate regulation and low levels of taxation. It’s not perfect, but it’s working far better than the draconian Australian model.

In both countries we are seeing accelerated declines in both youth and adult smoking as smokers switch to vaping. That is a huge public health win.

How would you advise vapers to get involved and stand up for their rights?

Even in the UK, there is some pushback against vaping. There is talk about banning single use disposables and there are any number of anti-vaping zealots who are quick to provide clickbait for the media.

Vapers need to be actively engaged, supporting NNA UK, responding to Parliamentary Inquiries, writing letters to editors or ringing in on talkback radio. Share your lifesaving stories with MPs, your doctors and other people in the community. If you don’t advocate for yourself, do it for loved ones and friends who still smoke. Gains that are lost will be hard to get back.

Have you ever been “star struck” meeting people who you admire – so who?

Clive Bates is my hero. Clive is based in England and is the leading vaping advocate globally. He has probably done more to advance the cause of vaping than anyone else. He is incredibly smart, hard working, articulate and well informed. He writes an outstanding blog, called the Counterfactual, which I highly recommend.

He runs a shared email service (listserv) which has been an extraordinary asset in sharing information among vaping advocates and he has played a major role in advocating in many countries with submissions, letters and personal visits. And all of this he does in his own time and at his own expense. I have learned an enormous amount from him. Go Clive!

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

Youth vaping is being weaponised as a cynical and emotional tactic to undermine vaping policy. We now have enough evidence to know that frequent vaping by non-smoking youth is rare, it is not a gateway to smoking. In fact it is diverting kids away from smoking and is beneficial overall. We need to accept that this is just another relatively benign risk-taking behaviour that some kids will try and that overall does little harm.

On the youth panel at GTNF23 yesterday I explained that the hype about youth #vaping was driving policy, instead of evidence
Brian King, Director of @FDATobacco was not amused
I am pleased to say he knew about my book, but I doubt he has read it! pic.twitter.com/KSE0r1nQzc

— Dr Colin Mendelsohn (@ColinMendelsohn) September 22, 2023

I think a campaign to correct the misperceptions and fear mongering about youth vaping is vital from a strategic point of view and could help to reverse the opposition to vaping.

What is your proudest moment in your advocacy career?

Amongst all the failures and frustrations, starting ATHRA was very satisfying. It sent a clear message that there was credible opposition to the mainstream anti-vaping narrative and it had some successes in spreading an evidence-based message.

I am also proud of having organised leading Australian and international vaping advocates to sign letters which we sent to Health Ministers and policymakers, showing that there is broader, expert support for a different view.

We wrote to all political parties about vaping recently

Senator @MRobertsQLD wrote back reaffirming @OneNationAus support for sensible regulation of #vaping products as adult consumer goods, to “reduce tobacco-related harm and deaths”
Read their policy https://t.co/fNWTs4zL5b… pic.twitter.com/4lVBa69Nr5

— Dr Colin Mendelsohn (@ColinMendelsohn) September 29, 2023

I also led reviews of two government funded anti-vaping reports in Australia which found the reports to be scientifically flawed and contain misinformation and bias. The co-authors of the NHMRC report included many leading international experts, such as Professors Anne McNeill, John Britton and Neal Benowitz. These were published in peer-reviewed journals and have given us some ammunition against the relentless attacks against vaping.

I am also quietly proud of my book, Stop Smoking Start Vaping. I have had lots of good feedback and I am always delighted when I hear it has helped someone. The book outlines the scientific evidence around vaping and is a practical guide for smokers on how to get started. It also address the controversies about vaping, most of which do not stand up to careful analysis.

Who (or W.H.O. hahaha) is the biggest enemy when it comes to tobacco harm reduction?

The World Health Organisation (WHO) has lost all credibility on tobacco harm reduction. It is especially scandalous that WHO is exploiting its position as a trusted health authority and has done untold damage to public health in low and middle income countries. It is especially disgraceful that they have been bought out by Bloomberg Philanthropies and other funding organisations and have put money before public health.

The mainstream media has also been a big disappointment and must take a large share of the responsibility for the rampant misinformation about vaping. Alarmist clickbait stories of rare or exaggerated risks take priority over inspiring stories of people whose lives have been transformed by vaping or positive findings from research. Misinformation is often regurgitated uncritically, often without balance or context. It is no wonder that the public is grossly misinformed about the real risks and benefits. In the end, if these stories discourage smokers from switching to vaping, they will cost lives.

Australian anti-vaping researcher-activists repeatedly try to censor publications and presentations that support #vaping with baseless and personal attacks. It is a sure sign that they have lost the evidence debate

My account of some recent events https://t.co/reXH3cgwF8…

— Dr Colin Mendelsohn (@ColinMendelsohn) August 29, 2023

Is there a message you would like to give our readers?

My advice to vapers is to follow the evidence. If you are a former smoker who vapes, don’t quit unless you are confident you will not relapse to smoking. The precise-long term risks will not be known for decades but are highly likely to be far less than from smoking. Be very cautious about what you read in the media and seek reliable sources for information, such as Action on Smoking and Health UK (ASH), the National Health Service (NHS) and Cancer Research UK (CRUK) if you have queries.

Vapers also need to be more mindful of the environmental harm of single use vapes. Not only is this bad for the planet, but it gives opponents more ammunition to use against vaping. Vapes should always be disposed of in battery recycling boxes, never discarded as litter or placed in garbage bins.

Vaping has an image problem and vapers need to be courteous and discreet in public. Ask for permission before you vape around other people. Blowing large clouds is not a good look and creates a negative impression. Vapers have a right to vape, but other people have a right to fresh air, even though there is no evidence that second-hand vapour is harmful.

Finally if you could give an “Ecigclick Award” to any person, product or company in the vaping industry / advocacy circle – who / what would it be?

There are so many who work tirelessly to promote vaping to benefit others. I can’t go past Clive Bates, but close runners up include Alex Wodak from Australia, Louise Ross, Martin Cullip and Gerry Stimpson from the UK, Charles Gardner from the US, David Sweanor from Canada and Nancy Loucas from New Zealand.

More Information On Vaping From Colin

On his website, there are 46 vaping FAQs which are kept up to date here.

Colin’s book “Stop Smoking Start Vaping” is a useful evidence-based resource on vaping, how to switch from smoking and the controversies around vaping, such as youth vaping and the role of Big Tobacco.

The e-book is now available for free download from the website here.

More information about the book and how to purchase a paperback version is available here.

Thank You Colin

I would like to thank Colin so so much for taking the time out of his hectic schedule to talk to me.

All of us reading this are loving your work! Plus many of us (especially me!) wonder how you manage to do so much! My brain would cave in with your workload!

Visit Colin’s website here – https://colinmendelsohn.com.au/

Get in touch with Colin on social media:

Twitter / X: ColinMendelsohn

Facebook: dr.colin.mendelsohn

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-colin-mendelsohn-a6367262/

He can also be contacted by email at mendel@bigpond.net.au

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This week’s THR Superstar is Kim “Skip” Murray!

I started this series of interviews to shine a spotlight on those who fight to protect the rights of those of us who benefit from safer nicotine products.

Skip works so hard, not only is she a Fellow of the Taxpayers Protection Alliance (TPA) Consumer Center and contributes to the Safer Nicotine Wiki – she is also very active on social media and writing articles on the subject of Tobacco Harm Reduction (THR).

Tell me a little about your life and career so far…

I am 65 years old and have zero desire to retire – I like to work.

Having been involved in volunteer work since I was a kid – I believe it’s important to work together to make the world a better place. I have never been very career orientated. Previously I’ve done a little bit of everything, from manufacturing, to retail, to restaurant management, and spent some time as a musician.

I currently work two part-time jobs. I’ve worked at a group home for over 10 years. We provide services to adults living with disabilities. I’ve been at Taxpayers Protection Alliance since the spring of 2022. At TPA I am their Consumer Center Research Fellow.

I love learning and sharing what I’ve learned. I used to be the Co-Director of Unclaimed Persons. UP is a group of volunteer Forensic Genealogists who help coroners find the living next of kin for someone who has passed away with no known family.

The skills I learned doing that work helps me with my work at TPA. Those skills also help me in my volunteer work helping build a resource about safer alternatives to smoking at the Safer Nicotine Wiki.

In 2020 while seeking help for depression and anxiety, I was diagnosed with ADHD and Autism. Now, much of my volunteer work for Tobacco Harm Reduction has a focus on older people, people living with mental illnesses or neurodivergence, and other communities with higher smoking rates.

Have you been a smoker? If so how long did you smoke for?

Before I answer this, I want to jump on my soapbox for a minute – or, in kinder terms, advocate against stigma.

I would prefer the first part was worded: “Have you ever smoked?”

My reason: We no longer refer to people who use drugs (PWUD) as addicts, junkies, crack-heads, etc., because it is considered stigmatising language. It is considered more compassionate to use people-first language. And I feel people who smoke (PWS) deserve the same respect and compassion as anyone else who uses a substance, or has an illness/disability, or a behaviour that society looks on in a negative way.

2/2
We still call people who smoke (PWS) “smokers.”

The UK is a world leader in tobacco harm reduction. It is my hope they will also be a leader and put an end to stigmatizing PWS. @Sharon_ACox @LindaBauld @LynneDawkins @jhb19 @AddictionUea @grannylouisa @SwitchFinder pic.twitter.com/848Iwuk19c

— Skip Murray (@imaracingmom) July 26, 2023

I try to avoid using “smoker.” I also feel it’s important to respect how anyone/group chooses to self-identify. So, I have no objections to someone identifying themselves as a “smoker,” but I think journalists, scientists, health care practitioners, regulators, and people in public health should attempt to avoid using “smoker.”

To answer your question: Yes, I used to smoke. I started smoking in 1969 when I was 10, and by the end of high school I was smoking two packs a day.

Do you vape? If so when did you start? What was your first kit?

I started vaping in 2014. I was helping my son at his vape shop and he didn’t like me sneaking out the back door to smoke. So he gave me a vape pen and asked me to vape when I was at the shop.

I had tried to quit smoking many times and always failed – or quit for a short period of time and went back to smoking. I had no intention of quitting smoking when I started vaping.

But a surprising thing happened, I started vaping more and smoking less. Around the 1st of March, 2015 I realised I didn’t know when I had last smoked. I had accidentally quit smoking!!!

How did vaping change your life?

Ah! In so many ways! Physically, a huge change is I no longer cough up crud all the time.

Since learning I have ADHD I use many forms of nicotine (vape, lozenges, pouches, and the patch) to help minimise the symptoms of ADHD. I sometimes struggle to focus or to sleep because my brain is busy almost all the time. I’ve learned that the nicotine is helpful to me, it helps quiet my mind so I am able to focus and able to turn off the constant thoughts so I can sleep.

Vaping has also given me the opportunity to be useful – to help people. Whenever I meet someone who wants to quit smoking, I try to help them find what works for them so they can achieve that goal. Most of the time that is vaping, but not always. When someone is ready to stop smoking, I don’t care how they quit, I care that they find what works for them so they can quit.

What kits stand out for you in your vaping journey and what is your current set up? What kind of device do you prefer?

Would you believe that’s a hard question?

My favourite has nothing to do with the brand or how it functions. I have a really cool box mod that was a gift from my son. It was custom made by a builder in Texas. My son knows I love “Steam Punk” things, so he had the builder Hydro-dip the mod in a really cool gear motif that has a steam punk vibe to it. It was my Mother’s Day gift a few years ago.

I have a huge collection of devices and use a variety of products. There are several pod devices that I use for high nicotine liquids to self-medicate my ADHD. I also have strong sensory needs, which are probably a part of the autism. For those sensory needs, I use mods and tanks with lower nicotine, so that I can chain vape and exhale more vapour much to my sensory delight.

Plenty of stimulants to achieve my mission to stay focused and complete a step of a big project.#ADHD pic.twitter.com/MYiaE8mnAj

— Skip Murray (@imaracingmom) August 13, 2023

What flavour is your preference?

Flavoured Coffee – either Caramel, Vanilla, or Mocha. It is the only kind of flavour I enjoy. I will vape other flavours if I have to, but the Coffee flavours are the only ones I like.

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— Skip Murray (@imaracingmom) September 29, 2023

When did you first become involved in vaping advocacy / tobacco harm reduction and why?

Once I saw vaping help my son and I quit smoking, advocating for this life-saving technology was the right thing for me to do.

Almost everyone in my family smoked and so did most of my friends. In my early 50’s, I became the family elder on Mom’s side of the family.

Smoking related causes contributed to the deaths of her and so many others. Several of my friends that were my age have also passed away from smoking related causes.

I want to help others not smoke, so their loved ones will never know the pain I’ve known.

What current roles do you hold within THR?

I think my primary role is to humanise the debate over the use of nicotine.

I took over ownership of my son’s shop in 2018 and went out of business in 2021.

Because I’m a consumer of alternative nicotine products, have witnessed the devastating effects of smoking, and formerly involved in the small business part of the industry I can offer a variety of perspectives to people interested in learning more about tobacco harm reduction.

And with the simple turn of a key in a lock, it’s over. Lakes Vape & Rec Supply is officially closed. My heart is broken and I wish I could go crawl in a hole somewhere and never come out. A piece of me just died. I’m not thrilled right now that the rest of me is still here. pic.twitter.com/WUOsGsz6h7

— Skip Murray (@imaracingmom) December 31, 2021

Back in 2020 several advocates on Twitter (now X) were discussing their collections of research and how best to share it with others. We decided that a Wiki would be user friendly and a way for volunteers from around the world to share information. We hoped to create a resource that would be helpful. Richard Pruen had the tech skills and equipment to set up the Wiki and Safer Nicotine Wiki was born.

Lindsey Stroud and I are good friends. We enjoy working on things together. A fun project was gathering and sharing the stories of older people who quit smoking (Golden Oldies Capitol Tours).

Lindsey and I have spent years collaborating, fact checking and proof reading each other’s work. She is the Director of the Consumer Center at Taxpayers Protection Alliance and offered me a position as a consultant last year. This year they hired me as their Research Fellow.

What current projects / campaigns are you working on?

That list is endless! I have a huge collection of Google Docs of notes, all pertaining to things I’m working on or want to work on.

This year, I’m trying to focus on goals and trade-offs. I started with making my New Year’s Resolutions my goals – I want to foster communication, build bridges, and amplify voices. I focus a lot of my work on misinformation, stigma and biases, and what we need to do to change the conversation about nicotine.

What do you feel needs to change regarding tobacco harm reduction Worldwide?

What I think needs to change is the war mentality held by many on the various sides of the nicotine debate. It feels to me like people get stuck on “winning” the fight and have lost sight of who the real winners and losers are, which are the people who smoke. It seems like there is a greater effort to focus on differences than on finding common ground with those a person disagrees with.

Any countries you feel are succeeding in THR?

Sweden (Snus) and the UK (Vaping) hands down have the lead in that department.

I hear that Iceland has quietly dropped their smoking rates with nicotine pouches and vapes.

In Japan, smoking rates have dropped thanks to the popularity of Heated Tobacco Products.

New Zealand and Canada have also had some success, but are taking steps to slide backwards. And while regulation wise, the US doesn’t get much right, the consumers have made great strides in peer to peer support and helping each other stop smoking.

How would you advise people who vape to get involved and stand up for their rights?

The most important thing people who use safer nicotine products can do is to use their voices and share their stories. They are important!! Keep writing, calling, and testifying – don’t give up. Join the consumer advocacy groups that represent them.

Have you ever been “star struck” meeting people who you admire – so who?

Oh, my, yes! All of them! There are so many incredible consumer advocates, scientists, and people who believe in the power of THR.

I think it’s an honour to meet each and every one of them. It is one of the best parts about going to a conference. I love getting the opportunity to meet people I know from the internet in person, or to meet those who’s work I have read.

What are your proudest moments in your advocacy career?

Every person I have helped to stop smoking is my #1 proudest moments.

And surprise, after a couple of days with their new plan, they had their first day of not smoking! OMGosh, I miss those days of enthusiastic reports from people who have quit smoking! #TEARS, so many tears! It was the best phone call.
5/x

— Skip Murray (@imaracingmom) July 7, 2023

Every time someone mentions that instead of being an “angry troll” they have been kind to someone they disagree with because I’ve encouraged them to #BeKind is #2.

10-on-Mohs-Scale Hard co-sign for @CrisDelnevo‘s reco to read @imaracingmom‘s piece in @Filtermag_org.

Your heart might break a bit, but that’s part of being an #UsNotThem #SupportNotStigma human.#BeLikeSkip https://t.co/OzjwrprfJt

— Joe Gitchell (@jgitchell) September 15, 2023

Being brave enough to use my voice in ways I never imagined I could is #3, and was the hardest to do, because I didn’t value myself enough to believe my voice was worth hearing.

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

Easiest question of the interview!

I think sometimes as individuals it is too easy to focus on one thing, when it’s several things that contribute to a person ending up where they do. So while my primary focus would be to load up my car with safer nicotine products and hit the road and hand them out to any adults who want to quit smoking, it would be important to me to address the other issues that might be contributing to why they smoke.

So I would need to be able to feed the hungry, put a roof over the heads of those who have no shelter, find mental health services to those who need them and don’t have access to them. I would need to work on programs that address so many inequities in our society.

5/x pic.twitter.com/2oHKLFAyDx

— Skip Murray (@imaracingmom) October 1, 2023

Help people find decent employment. Help with child care. A one woman social services providing whatever people need from the magical trunk of her car that never runs out of needed supplies.

I really don’t like to see people hurting and I wish I had the power to help more people.

Who (or W.H.O. hahaha ) is the biggest enemy when it comes to tobacco harm reduction?

Oh my goodness! LOL I’m glad we’re not back in time to a couple of years ago! That question would have triggered a rant and I would have provided you with a LONG list of individuals and organisations who I not only felt were all the biggest enemies of THR, I took it personal and they were MY enemies! It used to be my mission to fight all of them with everything I could think of, to show the world how right I was and how wrong they are…

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— Skip Murray (@imaracingmom) June 10, 2023

But that is not my strategy anymore. I was so angry and frustrated. And the only people who were listening to me were the folks in my THR tribe, who would always agree with me. I can’t be a part of bringing about change if I alienate the people who I want to listen to me!

I don’t want to show the people who agree with me that I’m right – I want to save the lives of people who smoke.

So now, my strategy is to be kind. Extra kind to people I don’t agree with, even if they chose to be nasty to me.

I listen. Not so I can think of what to say next, but to actually hear them. To learn where they are coming from, to understand why they believe what they believe. I try really hard to find common ground with them. Something we have in common in our lives, and work from there. I’ve learned I can’t change a mind in a single conversation. Now, I like to plant seeds and see if they grow.

May I suggest a first step?
(Y’all know I’m going to!!!)
Let’s change our framing (attitude).
Perhaps “enemy” isn’t the best choice of words.
Maybe if we start with “people who think differently,” would leave the door open wider for conversations?

— Skip Murray (@imaracingmom) July 1, 2023

So, to answer your question, my personal experience has shown me that a war mentality – held by folks on all sides of the debate – is the biggest enemy to THR.

In other words, I have the same answer to two of your questions – what needs to change the most and what is the biggest enemy! We are talking about saving lives – how can “war” and “survival” be a part of the same conversation? It can’t be if we are focused on the people who need our support the most.

Is there a message you would like to give our readers?

Take the high road. No matter how frustrating it gets trying to keep THR products on the market, be kind and respectful. You never know who will see/hear your words. Be the person who sounds reasonable.

Finally if you could give an “Ecigclick Award” to any person, product or company in the vaping industry / advocacy circle – who / what would it be?

I see you saved the hardest question for last. Almost everyone in this space is my source of inspiration. They all deserve an award.

It’s not possible for me to pick a product or company because everyone is different and the best way to help people stop smoking is to have as many options available as possible. There are many good companies out there who act in a responsible way and have generously supported advocacy.

It would only take me a few minutes to name off hundreds of individuals who are stars in their own right.

But, if I have to pick only one, I would pick Joe Gitchell.

He is a wealth of knowledge and very humble. I am impressed with his kindness, understanding, patience, and emotional intelligence. He is a fascinating combination of friend and mentor. He helped me find my voice and then helped me be brave enough to use it. But it wasn’t enough to just use my voice, I needed to find a way to use it that worked for me, and thanks to Joe I have found that way. He is very accepting of people just the way they are.

After the flood of diagnosis’s in 2020, Joe has helped me learn how to be myself and be true to myself. One of the greatest gifts in life is the day a person is able to look in the mirror and like the person looking back. It took me over 60 years to experience that day. I owe a lot of that to Joe.

I also owe it to other people in the THR space, who have also extended kindness and support along the way. And that is the best part of being involved in THR advocacy. The great numbers of good people who take the time to lift each other up, who cheer for each other, and offer support any way they can. All while working their rears off to help save lives.

It is truly an honour to be a part of all of this.

Thank You

I would like to thank you so much Skip for honouring us with your time and some of your precious brain power to answer our questions!

You work so hard to stand up for us who use safer nicotine products and we are proud of the work you do!

And of course you have the kindest heart!

As an adult going through the process of being diagnosed with Autism myself (been on a waiting list for over 2 years) I can really relate to how Skip feels.

Skip has discussed this with me and offered support. So I send love and strength to her and more importantly – total understanding. Which a lot of us adults with Autism feel is missing from our lives.

You can get in touch with Skip on Twitter / X: imaracingmom

Or Read her articles on Muck Rack here.

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This weeks THR Superstar is Kurt Yeo!

This series of interviews is to celebrate those who fight so hard to protect the rights of us who benefit from safer nicotine products.

I first became aware of Kurt during the WVA (World Vapers’ Alliance) Academy where he was a guest speaker and he impressed me a lot!

He, along with Craig Stuart are the founders of “Vaping Saved My Life” (VSML) and also does a lot of work as an advocate for vaping and Tobacco Harm Reduction (THR).

Tell me a little about your life and career so far…

I have always believed that no person is an island, and those closest to you are instrumental in one’s well-being and success. I am truly blessed to share my life with my best friend who is not only very supportive and loving but offers me great advice and insights in my vocation as a harm reduction activist.

Being a specialist medical doctor, my wife has been instrumental in providing me with invaluable skills to navigate through the science that underpins tobacco harm reduction. As for my son, we couldn’t be prouder, he excels in all his chosen activities and demonstrates a level of maturity far beyond a typical teenage boy.

After leaving college where I studied graphic design and advertising, I fell into the world of information technology. For sixteen years I worked my way up the ladder and eventually headed the information systems division of a corporation in South Africa.

At that stage, if you had given me a glimpse into what I do now, I would have laughed and proceeded by telling my own joke which would probably involve a bar and three odd protagonists. But vaping got involved in the plan.

I left corporate to start a vape business, not only because I saw the commercial potential in the then-fledgling industry, but the impact it had on the lives of people who smoke, none more so than mine.

Since my father’s passing from a smoking-induced heart attack, I had been desperate to quit myself, with many failed attempts under my belt. My father’s passing a day before our planned wedding was a shock to the system for me and the entire family. Even in his early fifties, I always considered my father to be invincible. Strong as an ox, a military veteran and a multiple-car wreck survivor, to be knocked down and for good by smoke, this shook me to my core.

My 13yr old never met his grandfather, and doesn’t remember his grandmother. Both died from smoking-related diseases.
You are throwing billions of current & future grandkids under the bus & robbing them of having these important relationships. You wear your cotempt with pride. https://t.co/VxgfjsQXwu pic.twitter.com/15t30uiRiJ

— Kurt Yeo (@Kurt_Yeo) March 6, 2023

I will be the first to admit that starting a small business wasn’t easy and to be honest not the best idea for me. I take my hat off to all those small independent vape shops that manage to keep their doors open with the ever-mounting pressure from multiple quarters they have to endure in this volatile industry.

Whilst operating my little vape shop I found myself drawn to the then-growing misconceptions and misinformation around vaping and decided to address it. A fellow vape shop owner, 100s of kilometres away, and I decided to start a Facebook page called “Vaping Saved My Life” (VSML). It started as a testimonial page 6 years ago, inviting former smokers and now vapers to share their stories, which grew into the movement that is today.

This catapulted me into the world of tobacco harm reduction, and I decided to leave the commercial world of vaping by closing the shop in 2019 and focusing on advocacy entirely.

As the saying goes, when one door closes another will open, which I rushed through, gifting me the privilege to work with some of the greats in the field of harm reduction.

Have you smoked? If so how long did you smoke for?

Yes, I smoked for 20 years and at the height of my smoking habit I smoked 40 cigarettes a day.

Do you vape? If so when did you start? What was your first kit?

Yes, I bought my first vape 10 years ago. A 2nd generation device known as a Twisp, a local product.

8 years ago, I had a chance meeting in a car parking lot with a person selling vapes from the boot of his car. It is here where I bought a Kangertech Subox Mini and an imported Strawberry dessert e-liquid, which I consider my first real vape device.

“I’d rather have my head in the clouds, than a foot in the grave.”
I managed to quit a 20 year, 40 cigarettes a day smoking addiction with the help of vaping. 7 years on I have not touched a cigarette. #VapingSavedMyLife and could save millions more. Thank you @vapers_alliance pic.twitter.com/Tor3mgo0c8

— Vaping Saved My Life (@VSML_SA) December 23, 2021

How did vaping change your life?

In more ways than one.

First, I do believe that it saved my life, given that I have lost both my parents and several other family members due to smoking-related diseases. My wife always warned me that if I did not stop smoking I would be lucky to reach the age of 50. Being 49 now I have one year left and I have never felt better.

Personal victory. Coming from a smoking family, I had a mission to help every member quit. At yesterday’s Easter lunch (a large affair), I noticed that all but one have quit with the help of vaping. Most quit altogether, and 3 of us still vape.

— Kurt Yeo (@Kurt_Yeo) April 10, 2023

Vaping and working in the space of harm reduction have also provided me with the opportunity to understand the complexities around smoking cessation and the emotions and ideologies attached to the topic of tobacco.

It has also removed the scales from my eyes that objectivity and empathy are not shared by many we have invested our trust in.

What kits stand out for you in your vaping journey and what is your current set up? What kind of device do you prefer?

The Joytech eVic-VTC Mini is the mod that I long for the most. I gifted that device to a struggling smoker wishing to quit, I didn’t know then how much I loved that little unit.

I have used so many devices, combinations and styles of devices that have been great, so it would be difficult to choose a favourite.

Currently, my preferred tank is the single-coil Yacht Vape Eclipse on an Odin 100W single 21700 mod, or the Vaporesso Target 200 for those days where I don’t want to carry spare batteries. For those times I need to carry light, my trusty Uwell Caliburn X is my go-to.

What flavour is your preference?

I have always been a dessert lover, anything with Caramel or Coffee gets my attention.

However, when I am out on a photographic safari (my second love) in the hot African bush, desserts lose their taste for me. I then grab a tropical fruit combination which will include Pineapple, Mango or Litchi.

Birds dominated today in the @KrugerNational #canonphotography #wildlifephotography #raptors pic.twitter.com/5z5djcfNzc

— Kurt Yeo (@Kurt_Yeo) December 29, 2022

When did you first become involved in vaping advocacy / tobacco harm reduction and why?

In early 2017, when the myth relating to “popcorn lung” started gaining attention in South Africa. Reading Dr Michael Siegel’s blog post on the matter made me realise that honesty or objectivity was lacking in the discussion. This became the genesis of VSML.

Meeting and chatting over coffee at the E-Cigarette Summit in London with Clive Bates sealed the deal. His knowledge, awareness and almost clairvoyant views on the topic of THR almost always make me stop and think.

What current roles do you hold within THR?

I am the co-founder of VSML. VSML is a consumer advocacy movement that supports THR by providing info to both current users and people who smoke and wish to quit.

VSML has also conducted an annual vapers survey since 2018, where we hope to gain valuable insights on vaping in South Africa from an adult consumer perspective.

We have also conducted 2 separate social experiments where we helped a group of smoking individuals attempt to switch to vaping. Our last 90-day challenge involved 36 individuals for whom we provide free kits, e-liquids and support in their journey. VSML was two years ahead of the UK “Swap to Stop” initiative, LOL.

12-week vaping trial RESULTS:

50%+ participants bid farewell to cigarettes for good!

In the follow-up survey, 41% remain smoke-free!

Even those who relapsed, 46% now smoke less.

100% recommend vaping for harm reduction/quitting smoking.

Full numbers: https://t.co/YpKsnNJyKh pic.twitter.com/tfasU5z0ji

— Vaping Saved My Life (@VSML_SA) September 19, 2023

VSML became one of the first partners of the World Vapers Alliance (WVA) and a partner with the Campaign for Safer Alternatives (CASA).

Personally, I am on the Advisory board of the WVA, an alumnus of the Tobacco Harm Reduction Scholarship Program. Plus I am a committee member of the South African Bureau of Standards for vaping products, and in November will be heading to Panama to participate in the Good Cop, Bad Cop conference hosted by the Taxpayers Protection Alliance.

I also have the great privilege of working on an international vaping study with the Veritas Cohort, a University of Catania project.

What current projects / campaigns are you working on?

Currently, the only project I am working on is the Veritas Cohort study.

On the VSML side, we are in the planning phase for next year’s initiatives and hope to do the same as this year, even bigger.

However, my and VSML’s focus is on the pending Tobacco Products and Electronic Delivery Systems Bill which is currently before the South African Parliament. Public hearings on this bill are in the process and hearings are conducted in each of the 9 provinces of South Africa. If this bill is passed in its current format we could see the legitimate vape market disappear and will have a detrimental impact THR in South Africa.

What do you feel needs to change regarding tobacco harm reduction Worldwide?

There are a number of things that need attention.

First I like the idea that scientists are calling for an improvement in laboratory standards and testing protocols for THR products. Too many studies fail to replicate the end-user experience and results are skewed or over-exaggerated based on various factors. In-vitro and animal studies do have a role to play but should be quantified as such and progress into human studies where possible.

“Between 16 and 25 years old were followed longitudinally every three months for up to one year beginning in 2020.”
I wonder what else happened in 2020 that can be associated with depression!? MAYBE EVEN CAUSED IT! Loss of loved ones, freedoms, employment & etc. Living in fear. https://t.co/62L1k3g1ji

— Kurt Yeo (@Kurt_Yeo) September 28, 2023

On population studies, I feel that the strength/level of evidence and limitations of a study need to be made clear upfront. In almost all cases, a cross-sectional study carries a far lower level of strength when compared to a randomised control trial or a meta-analysis systematic review. Far too often we have seen attention-grabbing headlines based on biased cross-sectional surveys with no follow-up or progressing to stronger research methodologies.

In some cases like that of the US National Youth Tobacco Survey, the reluctance to present trends over time perpetuates the youth vaping epidemic trope in the United States.

In my country, there have been several alarmist headlines and disproportionate coverage based on pilot research which relied on a tiny sample size and biased selection criteria that will naturally skew results and fail to represent the true scale of the situation. The media needs to carry the can on this, as they ought to be delving deeper and providing context. However, I have seen several researchers guilty of this recently where the limitations have not been expressed openly.

Most importantly I have seen a severe lack of objectivity and empathy on the topic, especially from the tobacco control corner. Battle lines have been drawn and there is a concerted and orchestrated effort to muddy the waters and besmirch their opponents. This has resulted in ignoring the very reason why tobacco control and tobacco harm reduction exist, reduce/eliminate the harm associated with smoking.

I look forward to seeing @HealthZA providing the evidence and weighing it against the library that @VSML_SA has collected over the years (https://t.co/8F1xADr0DS)
Make no mistake, vaping needs to be regulated, but certainly not in the same way as its deadlier substitute…/12

— Kurt Yeo (@Kurt_Yeo) August 7, 2023

It is high time that we acknowledge that good independent evidence exists that THR products work and are less harmful than its deadlier substitute. Sub-themes like youth uptake and environmental impact are policies that have been addressed in other sectors with varying degrees of success. More often or not the success of a policy is based on the ability to implement and enforce them.

Any countries you feel are succeeding in THR?

Sweden has become a beacon of hope and a true example of what can be achieved. This was not done through regulations alone but took advantage of a deep desire by the majority of people who smoke, wanting to quit. It demonstrated that by understanding this and allowing people to make a choice, an organic progression took hold and smoking rates plummeted faster than predicted. The net result is low cancer and smoking-related diseases.

The UK and its progressive approach to vaping has for the past several years shown positive results and provided a framework which should be considered globally.

The UK, undoubtedly the world leader in THR have not only commissioned and released several evidence updates on vaping (the latest and biggest one yet https://t.co/y2ZfjQ1KIt) but have implemented a Swap-to-Stop program which will see 1 mil free vape kits provided…/10 pic.twitter.com/o3prKmR53N

— Kurt Yeo (@Kurt_Yeo) August 7, 2023

Unfortunately, recent news and reports have proven yet again that politics is not far behind, and we wait to see if there will be a reversal in a framework that many aspire to.

How would you advise vapers to get involved and stand up for their rights?

• Follow and share your local advocacy group’s posts.
• Comment and engage on the content.
• If there is a call to action, petition or survey, get involved.
• Most importantly share your experiences on the platforms provided, as your story not only adds to the credibility of THR but might just provide that tipping point for another person to make that switch.

Have you ever been “star struck” meeting people who you admire – so who?

Being based on the southern tip of Africa does not provide a lot of opportunities to personally meet the people who have shaped my understanding of this topic.

Obviously, Clive Bates stands out for the reasons mentioned above.

I have had the great pleasure of meeting Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos, Dr Delon Human and Dr Kgosi Letlape, who too have shaped my thinking and admire the passion they bring to the discussion. Their courage in sticking their neck out and engaging on a topic that has proven to be less than palatable by many in the field of medicine is inspirational.

What is your proudest moment in your advocacy career?

A sense of pride and often surprise follows an invitation to speak at an event, radio station, TV or conference, but nothing compared to helping a family member finally make that switch after 40 years of smoking.

Over a year has gone by and she is still smoke-free. Advocacy at that level has a very real impact as it rippled and saw some of her friends make the switch too, which in turn will no doubt ripple further.

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

Not so much a campaign but a service.

My dream is to create a service that will give anybody, especially the most disadvantaged, the opportunity to quit smoking. The service will entail a wide variety of methods and products (including safer nicotine products) that best suit their needs and lifestyles.

South Africa is no stranger to harm reduction, services, or treatments aimed at reducing harm and diseases, except if you are a smoker. pic.twitter.com/G1KQAmfMAc

— Kurt Yeo (@Kurt_Yeo) April 28, 2023

South Africa has no public smoking cessation program and is greatly needed. The service will mimic what we see in the fight against HIV/AIDS and Tuberculosis in the country, where there is an absence of stigma and judgement, and focuses on the individual’s needs.

Sometimes I think that we have forgotten where the real war on smoking needs to happen, it’s not in conference halls, media interviews or in parliament. It’s on the ground face-to-face helping one person at a time and supporting them through that journey.

Who (or W.H.O. hahaha ) is the biggest enemy when it comes to tobacco harm reduction?

Transparency, accountability and exclusionary practices are to me the biggest threat to THR.

I see no problem with funding or grants if all the details are expressed openly and upfront, and apply to all equally. It has become all too easy to reject findings or activities purely based on a conflict of interest without quantifying the content or contribution. Those who simply use the “pencil test” as a basis for their objection lose credibility with me.

We need to accept and acknowledge that all actors on this stage are driven and motivated for various reasons, which may or may not infer bias, which can only be judged on the merit of their contribution. And yes this applies to both sides of the aisle.

Is there a message you would like to give our readers?

Tobacco Harm Reduction is not a foreign concept. It operates on the basis that forms a major part of modern-day living. It acknowledges that humans partake in and practice risky behaviours, from walking across the street and driving a car to sexual activity. These activities have seen innovations that at best eliminate and at worst reduce the harm.

Take a good look around you and you will see harm reduction everywhere. Using the example of a car. The need is to travel between two points and the car offers a convenient way to meet that need, depending on the distance obviously. Over many decades innovation in the design and manufacturing of cars has seen this mode of transport achieve higher degrees of safety and offer unprecedented harm mitigation to its occupants and other users of the road. Although we still see accidents where people sustain injuries or even death, it is widely accepted that the majority is a result of recklessness or user behaviour. During this time we have seen standards, regulations, education and interventions all aimed at making car travel safe for all road users.

With regard to nicotine and smoking, we now know that 1 in 2 people who smoke long-term will die prematurely. Over a billion people in the world smoke, and every year 7 million users and 1.2 million people exposed to second-hand smoke die. These figures have not changed in 2 decades and tobacco use is considered the single biggest contributor to noncommunicable diseases globally. In the words of Michael Russell, “People smoke for nicotine but they die from the tar”.

Our recent SA Vapers survey of 1346 adult vapers indicates this. pic.twitter.com/MXWDPWcROQ

— Kurt Yeo (@Kurt_Yeo) May 14, 2023

Tobacco Harm Reduction much like nicotine replacement therapy addresses this risk by removing the tar and other deadly constituents formed by smoke and delivers the desired nicotine in a safer way. The likes of e-cigarettes, nicotine pouches, snus and heat-not-burn products have not only proven to be significantly less harmful but have seen an unprecedented impact on smoking rates in a very short space of time.

Many health groups and governments are actively standing in the way of innovation and denouncing all progress made in having nicotine delivered in a safer way.

Going back to the example of the car, it could be likened to governments insisting that all safety and harm reduction measures be done away with. The only car permitted is one that has no windscreen, headlights, seatbelts, airbags, indicators, or treaded tyres and can only be of a certain design and colour. If you want to use a car, it must only be one that poses the biggest risk to you and bystanders.

Being facetious, these groups believe that making a car SAFER will attract the youth, ignoring the fact that this has been managed by regulations, enforcement, public education programs and the evolution of social norms that have received widespread legitimacy.

Airbags and windscreens aren’t safe, but they provide a level of harm reduction to the occupants whilst driving. These features are mandated. There are also restrictions and enforcement when used by under age persons, they simply not banned. Care to explain the difference? https://t.co/uWK3SfPkAv pic.twitter.com/WjCsBkSAsq

— Vaping Saved My Life (@VSML_SA) October 15, 2021

My question to the reader is, does it make any sense or is there something else driving this denialism and obstruction?

Finally if you could give an “Ecigclick Award” to any person, product or company in the vaping industry / advocacy circle – who / what would it be?

I think there are many that deserve an award. Over the last 6 years, I have met and engaged with many people and groups that perform a yeoman service (pun intended) in the field of tobacco harm reduction.

However, for me Clive Bates stands out, in fact, I would call for an award named after him. Clive’s service to the community and the cause goes far beyond what we see at conferences, blog posts and articles.

Thank You

Thank you so much to Kurt for all the time and huge effort he puts into standing up for the rights of those – not only in South Africa – who use safer nicotine products.

He is passionate and always has the facts at hand to dismiss misinformation.

You are very much appreciated!

Links to Kurt’s socials and website:

Website: https://vsml.co.za

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/savapertestimonials

VSML Twitter: https://twitter.com/VSML_SA

VSML Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vaping_saved_my_life/

VSML Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@vsmlsouthafrica4198

Personal Twitter: https://twitter.com/Kurt_Yeo

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Welcome to another of my “THR Superstars” interviews!

This series is to recognise those who work hard to advocate for safer nicotine products and thank them for standing up for those of us who benefit from them!

This week I have been chatting to Richard Pruen who is the main man behind the excellent resource “Safer Nicotine Wiki“. It is run as a Wiki where multiple people add information on safer nicotine alternatives.

Tell me a little about your life and career so far…​

I was born in Banwell, Somerset. I have an HND in Electrical and Electronic Engineering.

First non-part-time job was plant engineer at a clinical waste incinerator. I moved on to waste to energy / advanced waste to energy plants.

After that I spent 10 years designing alarm systems and life safety systems, as well as general engineering on pilot plants.

Then I moved to water and wastewater engineering for another 10 years.

I helped develop some early standards in the UK/EU pre-TPD and for a time ran a test house testing products, doing R&D and consulting. ​

Have you been a smoker? If so how long did you smoke for?

I smoked 60ish a day for years, 1986-2008.

When I stopped accidentally with vaping it was early 2009. I noticed I hadn’t spent money budgeted on tobacco for a month or more.

Sadly I don’t have a quit date like most people, I just don’t know exactly.

Do you vape? If so when did you start? What was your first kit?

Yes, and use Snus. First kit would be a 401 I think, but I’m not 100% sure.

How did vaping change your life?

Smoking 60 a day was killing me it was obvious. Within a year of quitting smoking, breathing and general health improved.

Had asthma since 1982, and a year or so after taking up vaping my peak flows were 110% normal, a few years after that monitoring was stopped because effectively it has gone.

With proof, see medical record screenshot: pic.twitter.com/QL7RbBcaQ4

— Richard Pruen (@PruenRichard) August 5, 2023

In the last 15 years I have had a handful of chest infections, as a smoker it was yearly at least.

What kits stand out for you in your vaping journey and what is your current set up? What kind of device do you prefer?

A torch body 18650 mod with 808 pen style atomiser as the device that finally replaced smoking.

In 2010 at vapefest UK I demoed a DC/DC converter variable volt ‘chipset’ with all protections built in, I believe that was a first. After that things changed rapidly it’s so hard to keep up!​

While on old stuff the world first and B prototype vari volt DC/DC converter (UK vapefest 2010) yes tiny! design to go in a ego size battery pic.twitter.com/abCIdaXP3s

— Richard Pruen (@PruenRichard) March 11, 2023

Current device is a Vaporesso GEN-S mod and Dead Goat RDA at 92W and 48mg/ml nicotine strength e-liquid in any sort of fruit flavour.

See perfectly normal, mix berry lemonade 48mg freebase at 92w.

Nothing unusual pic.twitter.com/KWno9CvWnM

— Richard Pruen (@PruenRichard) March 18, 2023

What flavour is your preference?

Fruits and fruit-like mostly,

When did you first become involved in vaping advocacy / tobacco harm reduction and why?

2009 because I thought I should pass forward the improvements in health I had found.

In 2010 my father died of smoking related cancer, and I do so in his name as well. He was a firefighter and hero, he lived to help people and save lives.

Well, @SandroDemaio here is what you are dealing with. I fight to save lives in memory of my father, a hero of a firefighter, pics of one bravery medal below.

He died of cancer from smoking, in his memory I campaign for safer alternatives to deadly cigarettes, so others live! pic.twitter.com/cthLwtMjU8

— Richard Pruen (@PruenRichard) May 28, 2023

What current roles do you hold within THR?

I run the Safer Nicotine Wiki site absolutely from the ground up. It runs on a cluster of Raspberry Pi credit card size computers – the entire thing from the solar panels to the web server software and internet connection.

While I do edit the site sometimes, I primarily keep it running and others do more of the editing and research into pages etc.​
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Everything is solar powered since it is cheaper and better for the environment.

What current projects / campaigns are you working on?

Possibly the run up to COP10 and the enormous mess the WHO continues to make.

What do you feel needs to change regarding tobacco harm reduction
Worldwide?

I made the wiki, because a platform for sharing and where users could directly create content that would look good without it being difficult.

Any countries you feel are succeeding in THR?

Now Sweden, the UK, EU to a lesser extent and NZ are all doing the sensible thing, hopefully it will continue, and resistance to the prohibition/quit or die strategy will continue.

Do you think the UK might become Anti-vaping?

Anything is possible and if we let it, yes it is entirely possible. The media focus is on the side of bans and restrictions, most not needed they are simply increments towards a total ban.

How would you advise vapers to get involved and stand up for their rights?

Write to your MP, create a page on the wiki or elsewhere with your story whatever it may be. Include a header and stuff to prettify the page, the image and everything will go to e.g. Twitter or Facebook and it looks nice and professional. It’s a shame more don’t do so, it’s great for impact and totally free to use even for those in less well off places.

Have you ever been “star struck” meeting people who you admire – if so
who?

A lot… Clive Bates, Roberto Sussman, Ricardo Polosa, Colin Mendelsohn, Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos and Dr Glover to name a few.

What is your proudest moment in your advocacy career?

Every time someone makes the switch to a safer product and potentially saves their life.

Every time that happens, it’s a win. Whether the wiki does that, or any other thing, the important part is saving lives.

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

There are a few on the wiki right now, how to choose a favourite child?

Who (or W.H.O. hahaha) is the biggest enemy when it comes to tobacco harm reduction?​

Probably Mike Bloomberg, he is paying for it after all. Without him it would be so much easier, we will win in the end though I am confident. I’m saddened by the loss of life the delay causes, but I won’t be giving up.

Is there a message you would like to give our readers?

Easy the same message as always: If you vape, advocate! Also a thanks to everyone who helps with the wiki, it’s a team effort no one could do that alone.

Finally if you could give an “Ecigclick Award” to any person, product or company in the vaping industry / advocacy circle – who / what would it be?

To every ordinary vaper who does as the last question, just a thank you, you make more difference than you know, keep going. Same for the folks that help the wiki, some remaining anonymous, making a difference, saving lives.

Thank You

I would like to thank Richard so much for taking the time to chat to me.

I recently became involved in the Safer Nicotine Wiki (SNW) and have seen first hand how hard he works to keep the site running and spam free! Loving your work!!

You can find Ecigclick on SNW here.

You can visit the SNW website here and find information on all variations of Tobacco Harm Reduction (THR) plus many advocates, groups and news. There are some well respected contributors too.

Main topics include…

• People associated with Tobacco Control / THR.
• Consumer advocacy organisations.
• Content producers.
• FAQ’s.
• Media – Movies, Videos, Vlogs, Blogs, OpEds, News etc.
• Myth busting.
• People of note.
• Regulations.
• Safety info.
• Studies, surveys and papers.
• Terminology Glossary.
• Tobacco Control groups.
• THR advocacy groups.

SNW is also on “X” / Twitter – SaferWiki

Connect with Richard on “X” / Twitter – PruenRichard

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In my “THR Superstar” interview series I have so far chatted to some wonderful advocates.

This time we have the one and only Clive Bates!

He is very prominent in THR (Tobacco Harm Reduction) and you will no doubt have seen articles, videos or social media posts of him standing up for those of us who use safer nicotine products.

Tell me a little about your life and career so far…

I was brought up in the Manchester area, studied Engineering at Cambridge University and then Energy and Environmental Policy at Imperial College, London.

I started my career at IBM as a systems engineer but made a dramatic career shift into activism, leaving the corporate world to join Greenpeace as an energy campaigner. Never regretted it!

In 1997, I started as Director of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), campaigning for tobacco control measures as the New Labour government came into office. After about six years, I moved to the civil service, to Tony Blair’s Strategy Unit and then onto some other civil service roles with the Environment Agency, the United Nations in Sudan, and the Welsh Government, where I had the sustainability brief.

Since 2013, I’ve had my own sustainability consultancy and advocacy practice, Counterfactual. I’ve spent the past eight years in Africa, in Zimbabwe and then Nigeria, but since April, I have been back in the UK, living in Derbyshire.

Have you been a smoker? If so, how long did you smoke for?

I’ve never smoked. But my dad did, and he smoked for long enough for it to kill him. He died in 2010 from heart failure after a lingering decline at least ten years before his time. He loved technology and was a 1960s computer industry pioneer. If vaping had been a thing when he was in his 40s or 50s, I’m pretty sure he’d be alive today.

Do you vape? If so, when did you start? What was your first kit?

I don’t vape and have never used nicotine or tobacco in any form – not even tried it. I was really put off by the smoke-filled rooms of my youth.

The first kit I bought was for a friend, and I hoped he’d quit smoking – it was a refillable system. It wasn’t a great experience, to be honest – too complicated, too much jargon and too difficult to use from day one. It didn’t work for him. Thankfully, that’s changed a lot.

How did vaping change your life?

Vaping has changed my life, mainly by driving me mad.

More precisely, I am finding the opposition to vaping is incredibly exasperating and frustrating. It is hard to process what I am seeing from supposedly reputable people and organisations.

Having worked in ‘tobacco control’ in the past, I’m completely appalled by the anti-vaping backlash, the pitiful science and the blatant misinformation. I think the loud mainstream of tobacco control is now worse than the tobacco industry ever was, though, to be fair, many are quietly working hard to do the right thing.

Is tobacco control the new Big Tobacco?

In their frantic opposition to safer forms of nicotine use, the tactics of tobacco control activists seem eerily familiar.

New blog: https://t.co/r6DplUMX5x

— Clive Bates (@Clive_Bates) September 12, 2023

What kits stand out for you in your vaping journey and what is your current set up? What kind of device do you prefer?

I don’t vape, but my philosophy is the best vape is the one that works for you, whoever you are. Different people will want different products in differing circumstances and at different points in their journey out of smoking. I’d also extend that to heated tobacco, pouches and snus.

It’s never a pretty sight to see one part of the vape community railing against the smoke-free choices of others. I think everyone should support everyone else’s choices.

Right now, I’m in the relatively lonely position of being positive about disposables. For some people, they solve a lot of problems: low price and upfront cost, ease of use, good flavour and competitive nicotine delivery. That’s worth a lot if it helps more people start their vape journey and quit smoking.

What flavour is your preference?

I don’t vape, so I don’t have a personal preference. However, from a public health point of view, my preference is “diversity” in flavours. I say, let a thousand flowers bloom.

As with pizzas, life would be dull if the only topping was a margarita, even if that is a popular and tasty topping. The regulators who say, “Well, adults can just use tobacco flavour” are wholly missing the point. It’s the choice that makes it interesting.

When did you first become involved in vaping advocacy / tobacco harm reduction and why?

I first became involved in tobacco harm reduction in about 1998. As Director of ASH, I was campaigning to lift the EU snus ban (unsuccessfully) and to widen the range of indications for NRT products (successful).

I really got into vape advocacy around 2013 when it became clear to me what a big deal vaping would become. I wasn’t involved, but I was completely taken aback by the grassroots vaper campaign against the UK MHRA’s first attempt to medicalise and ban vaping in 2010 (see the vaper responses to MLX 364).

My first real battle was over the European Union Tobacco Products Directive (TPD), an epic struggle in which thousands of vapers prevailed over the main EU institutional drive for regulating vapes as medicines. Had it happened, that would have been a killer blow.

What current roles do you hold within THR?

I do what I can in the time available with the resources I have, trying mainly to focus outside the UK. There are some great public health people and academics in the UK; the problems are mainly elsewhere. As I don’t really have an institution, don’t represent anyone, and I’m not a made-for-media scientist, I tend to stay out of the public limelight and work behind the scenes.

I run a couple of networks and produce regular information and analysis, such as a weekly review of scientific papers related to THR. I didn’t really want to get involved and thought I had left it behind in 2003, but the idea that we could squander this gigantic huge health opportunity was too much to bear.

What current projects / campaigns are you working on?

The FCTC COP-10 is a big deal, obviously, though it is pretty difficult to influence it – it’s mostly about saluting the right lags, the grandstanding is strong, and the echo chamber is heavily reinforced. The best outcome is no outcome.

My 5-part advice for delegates to #COP10 FCTC tobacco treaty.

Summary: Approach COP10 with scepticism, not cynicism, with clarity about national goals and tough questions about trade-offs, unintended consequences and evidence. https://t.co/pocjQn7CXx@WHO @FCTCofficial

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— Clive Bates (@Clive_Bates) September 3, 2023

At the moment, I’m interested in the developing situations in South Africa and Brazil and hope to do more to address the arguments against THR in low and middle-income countries (the arguments are actually strongly in favour), and I’m always interested in how it all plays out in Africa.

Blog: South Africa’s self-harming anti-vaping legislationhttps://t.co/2vJYr8yuLJ

South Africa is consulting on tobacco control legislation that is so extreme and punitive that it would do more harm than good. What’s wrong with it, and what is the role of foreign influence?

— Clive Bates (@Clive_Bates) September 4, 2023

The next EU directive is coming over the horizon, and it does not look nice.

I am also keen to make sense of the challenges of the nicotine market and industry transformation. I hope we can develop a more compelling account of what must be done to and by the companies in the field to bring the lethal era of the cigarette to a close.

Finally, nicotine without (much) harm should change the way society thinks about this relatively benign drug. My last few conference appearances have focussed on ‘rethinking nicotine’.

What do you feel needs to change regarding tobacco harm reduction Worldwide?

Conceptually, there needs to be one big widely accepted change – and it goes beyond tobacco harm reduction. We need collectively to understand that the demand for nicotine is robust and will not go away; it needs to be thought of more like caffeine or moderate alcohol consumption. The demand for nicotine is more permanent and resilient than any particular way of taking it. Within that insight lies the potential to save at least 100 million lives.

Any countries you feel are succeeding in THR?

No one is coming close to realising the full potential, though, of course, there are bright spots in England, New Zealand and a few others. But we should never consider these countries to be at the frontier of what is possible – they are far from it.

So I don’t really like to hold these up as models. They are mostly just “less bad” than others. Even if a country tried to go “all in” on THR, the flow of misinformation and outright propaganda percolating through global media means that no country could exploit THR to its maximum potential.

How would you advise vapers to get involved and stand up for their rights?

• Join a consumer group – they will help you know when and how to intervene to the best effect in what can sometimes be bewildering processes (waves at Brussels).
• Be authentic – tell it as you see it in your own words drawing on your own experience. Back it up with facts if you can, but your experience is what counts. Don’t use automatically generated messages.
• Keep it polite – given what we have to endure, that can be a struggle, but never slip into personalising arguments. It never works.
• Get off social media. Twitter and Facebook are good for organising and keeping up, but change comes from the steady slog of influencing politicians, officials, businesses, news media etc.

Have you ever been “star struck” meeting people who you admire – if so who?

Not really. One quality I admire in people is their ability to put others at their ease, including and especially me!

I admire Tony Blair and worked in his wider team – he is a kind of political and policy superstar for me, but on the few occasions I met him, he was always very engaging and welcoming.

What is your proudest moment in your advocacy career?

8th October 2013, the defeat of the EU effort to medicalise vapes.

After a massive campaign by vapers and a bunch of renegade pro-THR comrades in public health, the European Parliament voted down the preferred position of the European Commission, the European Council (member states) and the lead committee of the parliament itself. Thousands were involved, and everyone shares the credit. I am just proud to have done my bit.

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

Two thoughts…

I would like to persuade Michael Bloomberg to see sense and change his mind. Or if he can’t do that, perhaps he could just stop what he is doing and exit. That would be a game-changer.

Then I’d like to work on the ‘rethinking nicotine’ agenda – perhaps an honest conversation about its possible benefits (or at least why people use it) and getting beyond the tired label “addiction” to describe its use and place in society. The people who have it most wrong are those who think a ‘nicotine-free society’ is within reach or even a desirable goal. They have learnt nothing from drug wars or their own consumption of psychoactive substances, typically caffeine or alcohol.

Who is the biggest enemy when it comes to tobacco harm reduction?

Michael Bloomberg. Not a second of hesitation there. A billionaire with strong views on public health that are more often wrong than right, yet he is fuelling a worldwide anti-vaping frenzy with hundreds of millions of dollars based on simplistic misunderstandings.

These are the real-life stories that should stimulate curiosity and excitement in tobacco control. Yet many will go off to work, completely indifferent to this experience, powered by billionaire money, untroubled by doubt, and determined to make sure it never happens again. https://t.co/VF65fsZ1aA

— Clive Bates (@Clive_Bates) September 22, 2023

Institutions such as the World Health Organisation have been captured, and many individuals have fallen for his money, or the sheer weight of disinformation his money has spread. Yet he is unaccountable and closed to challenge and discussion. As one critic put it following our attempts to engage with him, Michael Bloomberg likes data. Except when he doesn’t.

Is there a message you would like to give our readers?

Despite the daily turmoil, it’s all going to be okay. Just keep the faith and vape on. If you were a smoker, you are saving your own life on your own initiative and at your own expense. Ultimately, no one can or will take that away from you. If you are choosing to use nicotine, that’s your call.

Most of the anti-vaping activists will be downing coffee in the morning and swilling wine in the evening. They have no moral case for their righteous indignation at your choices.

Finally if you could give an “Ecigclick Award” to any person, product or company in the vaping industry / advocacy circle – who / what would it be?

For science: Professor Martin Jarvis (UCL) patiently taught me about nicotine and how to think about smoking, nicotine and harm when I worked at ASH. He will always be my ‘go-to’.

For a product: the lithium-ion battery – vaping and heated tobacco became viable as spin-offs from improved battery energy and power density.

For an advocate: Colin Mendelsohn (Australia) – amazing guy, I don’t know how he does it.

Thank You

Thank you so so much Clive, I know what a busy fella you are so I am very happy you took the time to answer my questions.

Also thank you also for all you do to stand up for those who want to use safer nicotine products. We are all so very grateful!

You can reach Clive Bates on Twitter / X – Clive_Bates

LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/clivebates

Or on his Counterfactual website here – https://clivebates.com/

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In our latest “THR Superstar” interview I got to chat with the lovely Allison Boughner to find out more about her and her views on THR (Tobacco Harm Reduction).

Allison is the Vice President of the AVM (American Vapor Manufacturers Association), the President of the SCVA (South Carolina Vapor Association) and also a Fellow of the WVA (World Vapers’ Alliance).

You can also catch her on the Wednesday Night Live podcast and often she will write guest articles or make appearances as a speaker to discuss THR.

I first became aware of Allison when I was part of the WVA Academy programme. She was a guest speaker and I was impressed by her passion to get the Harm Reduction message across.

Tell me a little about your life and career so far…

I started smoking at 15, and started trying to quit in my early 20’s. With my constant stress, and back and forth with why I “didn’t need to quit” at 30 I was diagnosed with a blood clot in my right leg. My son at the time was 4, it was a big reality check for me.

Most 30 year olds do not suffer from DVT (deep Vein Thrombosis). Knowing my life choice of continuing to smoke – even after I quit through my whole pregnancy – was something I could no longer ignore. I took my Haematologists advice, tried nicotine patches, gum and even prescription drugs to help me quit for good. Nothing worked for me.

After I went through some pretty hard life changes and a move from NY to SC I gave up trying to quit. Somehow the stress of life made me forget that lesson I learned a year prior lying in a hospital bed.

I smoked because I enjoyed it.
It almost killed me.
I vape because I enjoy it.
I am healthier for that choice.
I enjoy nicotine.
I do not plan on quitting nicotine.#ThursdayMood pic.twitter.com/RTxwVSbZjJ

— Allison (@alli_vapes) August 24, 2023

Have you been a smoker? If so how long did you smoke for?

I started smoking at 15, I started vaping at 32.

In South Carolina cigarettes were cheaper, a lot cheaper. So I smoked more. As I searched for a job in SC I found one at a tanning salon, running the front desk. In my mind it was just something to get me to the next job.

My bosses were also selling e-cigarettes to their customers. It had helped them both kick their smoking habits and they wanted to share it with anyone and everyone they could. I was intrigued. I had tried disposable versions in the past, but really only used them when it was too cold outside to smoke. They were expensive, and never really truly fulfilled my cravings.

My boss handed me a disposable tank, a 650 battery and a Pina Colada flavour in an 18mg strength since I was a pack a day smoker. I was blown away right then without even realising it I was done with cigarettes.

Do you vape? If so when did you start? What was your first kit?

I do! I started vaping at 32, 11 years ago with a 650 battery and a disposable BDC (Bottom Dual Coil) tank.

How did vaping change your life?

Vaping changed my life since I was FINALLY able to quit smoking. After so many tries I could not believe how easy it was for me to basically quit by accident.

What kits stand out for you in your vaping journey and what is your current set up? What kind of device do you prefer?

Working in this industry I had the opportunity to try many different types of kits. For many years I used the Falcon Tank with any 2 bay box mod I could get my hands on! But the one that sticks out to me is the Smoant Naboo since I was able to customise the screen with personal photos. Currently I am using the Voopoo E60 device, which I love.

What flavour is your preference?

I love fruit flavours! My favourite fruits to use are Apple, Strawberry and Peach.

When did you first become involved in vaping advocacy / tobacco harm reduction and why?

My passion for advocacy stemmed from the misinformation coming from Public Health here in the US. I couldn’t believe this powerful technology that finally got me off cigarettes when all other options failed was being portrayed in such a negative way.

We owe it to every single smoker to speak out against misinformation. They deserve accurate and positive information on the health benefits of e-cigarettes as a smoking cessation tool.

#FridayFacts pic.twitter.com/p7mUolLhlR

— Allison (@alli_vapes) August 25, 2023

What current roles do you hold within THR?

I am currently the VP of AVM (American Vapor Manufacturers Association), the President of the SCVA (South Carolina Vapor Association) and a fellow with the WVA.

I also do a podcast every Wednesday evening called the “Wednesday Night live show” where we talk about advocacy and current issues. We do a lot of work on local bills with the SCVA or AVM. I do as much as I can, where it is needed.

Whether it be working with other companies fighting bans in their own states, accepting any speaking opportunities that I can so I can get the message out to the public, or speaking with State representatives to make sure they have accurate information about vaping.

What do you feel needs to change regarding tobacco harm reduction Worldwide?

The world needs to stop lying to the public about tobacco harm reduction. In a perfect world, in my opinion, everyone would be more like Sweden.

Any countries you feel are succeeding in THR?

I think countries getting it right are Sweden, New Zealand and the UK.

How would you advise vapers to get involved and stand up for their rights?

If you vape, advocate! Look into your local organisations and see what you can do to get involved.

Have you ever been “star struck” meeting people who you admire – so who?

I definitely was “star-struck” when I met Clive Bates at the ECIG Summit this past year in Washington DC. I just think Clive is the best.

What is your proudest moment in your advocacy career?

AVM was also able to secure a webinar with Dr. Brian King this past February which was a great opportunity to get him to admit there is no “youth vaping epidemic.” For me that was a huge win.

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

I think disposable vapes get a bad rep and I think if everyone here in the US was not so focused on being compliant or getting a PMTA approval we could really use a great recycling program for these devices. We could focus on a way to make sure they aren’t having this significant environmental impact and ensure they stay on the market for those that depend on them to stay off of combustible cigarettes.

Who (or W.H.O. ) is the biggest enemy when it comes to tobacco harm reduction?

I believe that any public health organisation denying the potential of THR is an enemy. They all do their part in scaring people who smoke away from even attempting to try a safer alternative.

Is there a message you would like to give our readers?

Don’t give up, the road is long and this is not easy at times to hold on to hope but every single voice matters. Your voice could be the reason someone finally quits smoking combustible cigarettes!

#WednesdayMotivation pic.twitter.com/Uh0XLMY4Xm

— Allison (@alli_vapes) September 13, 2023

Finally if you could give an “Ecigclick Award” to any person, product or company in the vaping industry / advocacy circle – who / what would it be?

I would have to say Grimm Green. I have been watching him since I started working in this industry and he has never wavered in his commitment to educating people on THR.

Thank You

I would like to thank Allison so much for taking the time to answer our questions and for all of the hard work she puts in to stand up for vapers and harm reduction!

She is a really lovely lady who is passionate about harm reduction.

You can find Allison on Twitter / X – alli_vapes

Also you can contact the American Vapor Manufacturers by visiting their website https://theavm.org/

Or on social media…

Twitter / X – VaporAmerican

Facebook – AmericanVaporManufacturers/

YouTube – americanvapormanufacturers1797

LinkedIn – american-vapor-manufacturers-association/

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For my latest “THR Superstars” interview I am chatting to a well-known UK advocate!

You may have seen / heard of Martin Cullip if you are active in THR (Tobacco Harm Reduction) circles or follow the subject on Twitter / X.

I have spoken to him many times as he just knows his stuff! For instance when all the terminology regarding COP10 and FCTC has fried my little brain, Martin always has the answer and ability to get me to understand!

I therefore regard him as someone who I can ask about THR matters and I follow his writings and social media posts to keep up to date.

He often writes articles for publications such as Filtermag, Spiked, Inside Sources and 1828 and you will find him appearing in videos and podcasts talking about Tobacco Harm Reduction. Also he is regularly called up as a guest speaker at various conferences.

TPA International Fellow @NannyFreeState provides an update on the WHO’s #COP10 plans for a tobacco harm reduction take down.

TPA’s Consumer Center will be on the ground in Panama this November to push back on these misguided plans. https://t.co/HQomS9zc3J

— Taxpayers Protection Alliance (@Protectaxpayers) September 12, 2023

In fact as I am writing this he is attending the New Approaches Conference in New York as a speaker on the topic of COP10 FCTC. The conference discusses how policy and technical innovation can complement each other in the aim of reducing and preventing tobacco related deaths.

Anyway in a bid to find out more about him we had a Zoom interview – which I have transcribed below!

Tell me a little about your life and your career so far.

Well, I ran a transport company for 26 years until I sold it, taking Disabled special education needs kids to and from school. We had about 90 buses and 160 staff.

I used to blog in my spare time, since 2008 on free market and Nanny State issues. So that’s how I got into all this. I was just basically just writing blogs about how the government should leave us alone – and it sort of went on from there really.

But I sold the company in 2021 and now I’m an international fellow for the Consumer Center at the Taxpayers Protection Alliance (TPA) in Washington, DC. And really quite enjoying it because it used to be something I did as a hobby and now I’m doing it as a consultant with a contract with them. So it’s nice to be able to do something – at my age in my 50s – which is enjoyable work.

I’m doing a lot of travel this month, which is gonna be quite arduous really.

The first one, I’m going to the Rugby World Cup with my son over the coming weekend to watch a couple of matches. But after that, I’ve got the New Approaches Conference in New York!

When I come back from that, I’ve got a couple of days, then I go off to Athens to another conference.

And of course the TPA are all going to Panama for the COP10. We’re setting up a conference in Panama in November when the FCTC meetings are happening.

This November, the WHO’s Framework Convention on Tobacco Control biennial Conference of the Parties (Bad COP) will meet to discuss tobacco-related issues behind closed doors in Panama.

TPA’s concurrent event “Conference of the People (Good COP)” will bring in experts and… pic.twitter.com/jf0Qaabcd6

— Taxpayers Protection Alliance (@Protectaxpayers) September 17, 2023

Do you enjoy all the travelling to various conferences?

They’re all long, long journeys, but you know, I love flying. I’m a bit of a transport geek. So it was always fun to watch these buses going around on my tracking thing on my computer, but now it’s just me travelling. My only problem is I like flying too much, I can’t sleep on planes, I get too excited.

I think I took 16 flights last year and it’s going to be probably more than that this year. I haven’t added them up, but by the time I’ve finished it might be closer to 20.

I’ve always travelled quite a bit because I’d go to all these events. However with the GFN (Global Forum on Nicotine), I’d always self-finance, pay for my own flight, pay for my own accommodation, stuff like that. The funny thing is my opponents have tried to smear me over the years and sort of insinuate that I’m paid by the Tobacco industry or something. But it’s probably cost me tens of thousands of pounds over the years to advocate because I’ve spent all my own money. I’m lucky I was running a company, I could get the time off – I was the boss. I could afford it and I can afford it so I would do it. But yeah, far from being paid.

Do you have any dream destinations?

Sometimes I think I’d like to go to Corsica one day, I just have this thing in my head, I want to go to Corsica. I’ve been saying this for about five years and I’ve never gone yet because I’d think, what would I do? I still wouldn’t be able to switch off because I always like to keep up with what’s going on because I’m a consultant in harm reduction. Things happen all the time, especially this year with the COP10!

If I take a week off I’ll come back to emails that I’ll have to answer or read things just to keep up with everything that’s happening. Everything goes quiet around Christmas and that’s kind of when I have a break.

Have you been a smoker? If so, how long did you smoke for?

Yeah, I started smoking when I was 15, and I smoked for 33 years until I switched completely to vaping. I tried vaping before that, but I didn’t actually switch to vaping properly until 2015. But the first vape I had was in 2009.

Do you vape, if so, when do you start?

Yeah. My first kit was really because I was writing a blog and I heard rumblings about this thing called “vaping”. And I heard the government was thinking about banning them. So I went on to some vape forums. I think it was UK Vapers I went on and said, “look, I write this blog and if the government wants to ban these products, I’d like to argue against the ban – but I don’t know anything about them. Can you tell me what they’re about?” Someone on this forum said, “I can send you some spare kit I’ve got” – and she sent me a gift bag.

She gave me all these bits with post it notes on saying, “this bit goes in there and that bit goes in there”! I chatted to her for a bit and she told me to use a company like Totally Wicked.

So I went to Totally Wicked and that’s where I bought my first starter kit. I understood how they worked and I could write about them. And I wrote quite a lot about them.

When tanks came out, I started to take it a bit more seriously. About 2015, I got one from Totally Wicked and a flavour, which was Pear Drop flavour. I just thought, “wow, this is lovely”. Now I can understand why everyone’s gone crazy for it.

It was maybe four or five weeks later that I said to my wife at the time, I was writing a blog and I thought, I can’t remember the last time I smoked. I said to her “do you know when the last time I smoked was – I can’t remember.” And she replied “oh, maybe four or five weeks ago”!

Did you fully switch to vaping immediately?

I’m one of these who was a dual user for a long time. But it just happened one time where I just almost – I say to people when I do conferences – I just forgot to smoke. Now, occasionally I’ll have a cigarette, especially if I go up to Westminster where there’s some people who smoke. I’ve got some friends up there in Think Tanks and they’ll say “do you want to come out?” and I’ll say “okay, I’ll come out with you” and I’ll have a cigarette and I think it’s just not as good.

I enjoy vaping more than I like smoking and I was an avid smoker. One of my sisters, (I’ve got two sisters) she was a bit of an anti-smoker, but I just didn’t listen to her, I wasn’t interested. But she’s incredibly pro-vaping now because she said to me once “if everyone around the world on the planet, quit smoking – I thought you would have been the last one to quit” and so she couldn’t believe it! She asked me all about vaping, how and what it is and now she’s a massive fan of vapes!

I went to Warsaw for the GFN (Global Forum on Nicotine). I’ve been to all of them since 2014 and I think I’m the only person who has.

At #GFN23, I chaired a panel which discussed the vile McCarthyist antics of tobacco control industry activists which has now been posted online. Features @FarsalinosK, @GerryStimson, @nynz67 and @VaperAce. https://t.co/pUTFJ0uNCW

— Martin C (@NannyFreeState) August 17, 2023

I remember going in maybe 2017 and saw that my favourite cigarettes, Winston Blue, were £2.20 in Warsaw. So I bought 400 of them. I don’t know why, it’s just a habit, you know? They just sat in a drawer. I’d go to an event up in Westminster or something, and I think I’ll bring a packet with me, because other people will be smoking. I’d have one, maybe two, and then I’d end up giving the rest of them to someone on the way out. They loved me!

How did vaping change your life?

Well, I suppose I’m working – it’s a career now!

I was always quite active when I was young. I’m still active now, but I remember running for a bus once when I was still smoking. I caught the bus and then sat down and I remember trying to breathe and I struggled to fill my lungs. I was breathing in but I wasn’t filling my lungs. But now most weekends I go for five, six, seven mile walks. On a recent trip a group of us walked for about six miles and I go at quite a pace. I have to keep stopping and waiting for others. I don’t get any breathing problems or anything.

What else do you find easier since quitting smoking?

The other thing is, all these flights I was telling you about, I find flying so much easier. Firstly, you’re not as addicted to vaping as you are when you’re on cigarettes. And secondly, I just bring some nicotine pouches and just forget about it. I went to Los Angeles in 1994 and it was awful, 11 hours on a plane. I couldn’t stop thinking about cigarettes all the way across. 11 hours is bad enough without all of time thinking, “I want a cigarette, I want a cigarette”. Whereas I reckon I could do that now. I’m doing some long flights this year. I just pop a pouch in my mouth and listen to some music or something and just forget about it. So it’s just much easier.

I hated the smoking ban. That’s the thing that really ticked me off. I think that’s why I started the blog. But now there’s a number of pubs that I go to where you’re allowed to vape. So it’s nice. Nicotine and a Beer just go together. Some people say Coffee and a cigarette goes together, but I don’t. I don’t drink Tea or Coffee, but with me a Beer and a cigarette used to be one of my big pleasures in life, but now it’s a Beer and a vape!

What kits stand out for you in your vaping journey and what is your current setup? What sort of device do you prefer?

I’ve always been Mouth To Lung (MTL). I’ve dallied a little bit with Direct To Lung (DTL), but it didn’t do much for me.

My mod, Sarah (Jakes of the NNA) bought me this in 2015 as a birthday present. It’s personally designed. I’m a Cricket fan, so it’s got Cricket on one side and the London Underground logo on there because I’m a bit of a geek about the Underground. It’s by, I think it was called “Dream Vapo” they used to custom make them – it’s just really a box with a battery in it and its regulated. That is just what I use most of the time with a Nautilus tank. Its non-TPD compliant because I bought five of them before the regulations came in. It’s 5ml – just so I don’t have to fill up as much.

I suppose the kit that stands out was that one I bought from Totally Wicked, which I first tried the Pear Drops in, but it’s hopelessly out of date now – I must have got rid of it years ago.

What flavour is your preference?

Fruit flavours. I should get some Pear Drops.

Usually I make my own liquids, but I haven’t had Pear Drops for a while.

I just see what flavours are around, just buy flavours that I like and sometimes mix them and see how it turns out. But they’re always fruit and candy flavours, which is really helpful when they do discussion panels. They say “these things are obviously aimed at children”. I say, “well, I’m 55 and I vape Bubblegum and Aniseed balls, these are my flavours! I’m 55 – so what do you mean they’re aimed at children?”

Bubblegum’s a nice fruity flavour. I love it, absolutely love it.  I started off on 30mg nicotine strength, before the TPD regulations came in, but I use about 16mg now, to try and get more flavour. I’ve sometimes bought some, if it’s in a deal, I buy some 12mg.

I’ve always liked vaping for the throat hit – not the flavour, that’s why I didn’t really get on with direct to lung. You don’t get much of a throat hit with DTL. So just fruit flavours, candy flavours, anything that tastes sweet.

When did you first become involved in vaping advocacy, tobacco harm reduction and why?

I used to write blogs on the topic “Leave Smokers Alone”. I campaigned against cigarette plain packaging in the UK and we won, I swear we won.

I’ve been doing campaigns for a while. I remember writing about the consultation in 2010 when the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency) wanted to ban vaping within 21 days. Also I spoke to consumers about it back then – I wrote quite a lot about that, I think.

I remember saying, this is great that they managed to hold this thing off and they got about 1200 responses. It’s an old consultation, 12, 13 years old, I looked for the page a few months ago. It’s not there anymore. But people who were vaping at the time, they really organised to fight that off.

In 2012, we were fighting the EU’s TPD. I remember going with Dave Dorn, he’d arranged a trip on Eurostar. We booked a whole carriage on Eurostar to go to Brussels. We stood in Place De Luxembourg with vapers from other countries and just made a big noise and threw Black balloons around and everything.

Were you involved in the early stages of the NNA?

I’d already been involved in the TPD campaign and some of the people who set up the NNA (New Nicotine Alliance) were involved in that as well. So we thought, “well let’s start a group up!”

I remember being involved in the in the original emails when they set it up – Sarah Jakes, Dave Dorn and Lorien Jollye from Cornwall plus a couple of others. They sort of carried on with it, but I kept an eye on it. But there was a lot of work involved in setting up originally and I just didn’t have the time to do it because my business was expanding and stuff. So I was an associate to start off with.

I eventually sort of got on the board and ended up chairing it. But then by then my business was mostly running itself because we put more people in the office as well as a fleet team and extra management – meaning I could take much more time off. So I got more involved then.

What current roles do you hold within THR?

When I sold my company, I was offered a role with the Taxpayers Protection Alliance in Washington, US. They set up a Consumer Centre to talk about consumer, lifestyle products and stuff like that. I think that was early in 2021. So when they heard I was selling the company, they just offered me a role. And it’s great!

I have written some stuff on WHO (World Health Organisation) and alcohol policy etc., but there’s just so much going on with the assaults on THR at the moment that we’ve done very little else, especially with what’s going on with the FDA in America.

I’ve done testimony at state hearings in the USA. I gave evidence to the Reagan-Udall inquiry into the FDA. But I haven’t done much of that kind of thing this year, because it’s a COP year, we’ve just been doing COP10 stuff.

The first time I wrote about a COP was COP4, I think – we are at COP 10 now. So it’s been a long time!

You seem to have a lot of experience when it comes to the WHO COP meetings!

I kind of understand how COP works. I wrote about COP4 and a friend of mine went to COP5, I think that was in South Korea – Seoul and I was thinking, “I should go to one of these one day!” Plus the same with COP6 in Moscow, I was hearing some of the goings on and it was just hilarious, I just thought I’m definitely going to the next one.

The WHO are just so paranoid that anyone sees what they’re doing. In one of the meetings, someone had taken a picture of a slide on the screen and they’d sent it out and somehow it got back to Chris Snowdon who then wrote a blog about it. Their reaction to this was to switch off the Wi-Fi in the building! So people who were staff working in the convention centre were complaining they couldn’t speak to their relatives and couldn’t ring their friends because they turned everything off. They’re that paranoid.

I’ve written at @Filtermag_org on how the #WHO has no intention of providing an honest objective evaluation of the science around harm reduction in advance of #COP10. Delegates must recognise this. https://t.co/Dh0LliHxv4

— Martin C (@NannyFreeState) August 3, 2023

I went to COP7 and to COP8. Because I had been into COP7, I was telling people how to get in. I was hoping lots of consumers would go – I think about 10, maybe a dozen went in as consumers in COP8.

COP9 was just virtual, so they just showed you the opening plenary and the closing plenary, but you couldn’t watch the rest.

What incidents caught your eye in previous COP FCTC meetings?

A guy called Drew Johnson who is a journalist, reported on COP6 that people had been physically removed from the building – you know literally “strong armed” out of the building in Moscow which is quite scary.

I said, I’ve got to go to the next one. So I went to the COP7 in India and went into the opening plenary as a consumer and member of the public. I was thrown out like everyone else at lunchtime. They let you see portions of it, like an introduction and then you were excluded for the main discussions. They throw the public out and the press – everyone gets thrown out.

Drew Johnson, who’d been there in Moscow, refused to leave COP7 in India. I watched it, there’s a film of it, you can find it, it’s online somewhere (included below!) The security just literally physically pushed him out. And Rebel TV, which is a right of centre, sort of political organisation, they were there with cameras and they filmed him being pushed out. I was there watching it happen and it was quite interesting!

Will you be allowed in to any COP10 discussions or not?

No, you get allowed into the opening plenary. You’ll get to see the opening speeches and what they call the the delegation declarations.

The opening plenary this year, for the first time ever is being live streamed. So you can watch the opening plenary and you can watch the closing plenary. You see the welcome address from the president and that sort of thing, and you get some guest speakers. I think there’s going to be the president of Brazil, the health minister of the Netherlands and a Jordanian princess, I’ve heard.

Then you get the declarations, maybe 20 to 30 countries might want to make a declaration, stand up and speak for three minutes about what they’re doing in tobacco control. Following that they’re having a debate this year, which is unusual and should be interesting. But then after that, you just get thrown out or the live stream will be cut.

The TPA are running an event alongside the COP10 in Panama aren’t you?

Yeah, we’ve got some experts coming along, we’re just going to have some panels. We’re going to do some live streams with the people that we’ve got over there during the week and then leave when it’s finished on the Saturday.

Have you had any contact with the UK delegates? Have you been able to talk to them, find out their stance?

No. There’s been a few parliamentary questions that have come back, which you might have seen, saying we’re not going to agree to any decisions that stop us helping smokers to swap to a vape. But at the same time – this is like politics speak – if COP10 ban flavours and open (refillable) systems, the British government won’t need to stop giving people vapes – only “flavoured” and open system vapes will be affected. The only way they’d have to stop giving out vapes is if the COP10 say you have to ban them entirely.

We’d like the UK delegates to go there and stand up for open systems, stand up for flavours, stand up for all types, even disposables, everything. Although it’s all very encouraging, that they’re gonna go there and stand up for vaping, but it could mean a multitude of things, couldn’t it? The consumers have been doing well, sending letters to people. Hopefully there’ll be some sensible voices when they get over there and hopefully it’ll be somebody who knows what they’re on about, who understands the different types of systems and who benefits from them.

I don’t know who will be in the UK delegation. I think the lead last year was Tabitha Brufal, who is in the Department of Health tobacco control team – I can’t remember. There’s a guy called Matt Birkinshaw who goes. They have to give the government’s say on these things. So strictly speaking, they should go in there and say no to everything that says, we’re going to ban vaping, we’re going to ban this and that and the other. We just hope they will.

They didn’t say much at COP9, but then that was all being rolled over to COP10, so they didn’t really have to say anything.

Who would you like to see in the UK COP10 Delegation?

The UK Government should get someone from Public Health, Ann McNeill, for example, or Lynne Dawkins or someone like that. That’s who we’d like to see there – someone who’s an expert in the field. And they should, because these are international treaties, that’s why delegations are supposed to include them. You’re supposed to include subject specific experts, so don’t just send a load of desk jockeys from the Department of Health and the Foreign Office, send some people who know what they’re talking about.

How would you advise our readers to get involved?

What they can do is write to their MP and say we would like there to be at least one, maybe two or more experts on tobacco harm reduction in the UK COP10 Delegation. Surely if you can’t have a consumer on the delegation, at least send some people who know what they’re talking about.

If the threats come, we really hope our delegates are going to stand up and say no, because it’s all done by consensus. If a strong country like the UK says no and a few others say no as well, then it won’t happen. But we need them to say it because if they sit on their hands and don’t say anything, it all goes through by default.

So get your readers to write and say that there should be an expert on tobacco harm reduction, at least one, preferably two or three, and stand up for the products. Also say they’re scared of this lifeline being taken from them.

(Editor’s note: more information on how to get involved is detailed here)

Why do vapers need to get their voices heard?

My colleague Lindsay Stroud always talks about Andy Dufresne in the Shawshank Redemption – when he wrote a letter every week. He said, “I’d like some books for this library”. They replied to him, “sorry, we haven’t got any books. Please don’t write again”. So he wrote to them every week until he became such of a pain in the ass to them. Then one day after years, they sent him a big box of books just to shut him up. You’ve got to be Andy Dufresne.

You’ve got to talk to them all the time, write to them. If you don’t get replies, write to them again. We should be doing that, we should all be doing that because you don’t want them to forget about us and think, “oh, those vapers have calmed down, maybe they will quit vaping, we can ban it now”.

You’ve always got to keep an eye on what they’re doing. Just fight for every inch. Don’t give them anything. I heard people saying, oh, let them have disposables and they’ll go away. No, they won’t. They’ll take that off the list and then they’ll come up with something else. They’ll call it the next logical step in public health. They will continue to find something because they’re being paid to do this. And if they’re not doing anything, they can’t put in their claim for funding.

Once they’ve got something, they can’t sit and say, “we’ve done that now, let’s just sit and chat”. No, they have to think of something else to get involved in. Their department wouldn’t exist anymore, they never stop. You have to fight them on everything.

Do you think any other countries will be having the same stance at COP10 as the UK, standing against any bans?

Well, we’re hopeful. New Zealand has been positive on vaping. Canada, Health Canada at least, has been showing some signs of being sensible. Their provinces aren’t. But at the end of the day, Health Canada are the ones at the top of the tree, and they’re the ones that send the delegation. So they’ve been quite good on harm reduction recently. They changed their tune a little bit. They were going really well back at the time of COP7 and then they went the other way. I think they must have got spooked by EVALI or something. But now they seem to be coming back into the fold and doing things the right way. So hopefully they’ll go.

The Philippines too, hopefully they’re going to be positive like they were COP9, they were brilliant. They were the country of the COP9 for us. They were fantastic.

Plus there’s other countries like Thailand. Sweden is a funny one because Snus isn’t really touched upon much by the FCTC because it’s smokeless but very popular in Sweden.

Have you ever been Star Struck meeting people you admire? If so, who?

I don’t think I ever have really.

I used to be a big Toyah fan – I met her – and even that didn’t really blow me away. She’s lovely. I’m not really one of them people who get star struck.

It was quite nice meeting Clive Bates for the first time years ago, because I remember I criticised him a couple of times on my blog and he found out who I was at an event in London. He said, “oh, I love reading your blog” and shook my hand. I said to him “but you know, I’ve had a go at you a couple of times”. He replied “yeah, it’s fantastic. I love it”. But that wasn’t Star Struck, I just thought he was really good fun. And a very clever guy.

What is your proudest moment of your advocacy career?

I think the proudest thing I have is on consumers and how they’ve fought so hard over the years in the UK. For instance in 2010 where they saw off the MHRA, who ironically now regulate the products, but they wanted to ban them within three weeks. And they acted, they got organised and they sent in, like I said, over a thousand responses. That is incredible when you think in 2010 there weren’t many vapers around.

Plus again for the TPD where there were MEP’s who never had a post bag like that on anything before.

Now I’m meeting consumers all over the world. They’re all fighting in their different countries in different ways, but they’re still just as passionate. They’re more passionate, obviously, in countries which are more at threat. So where you’ve got full bans they’re more passionate.

I think the only exception to that is Australia because I think Australian vapers have just been brutalised and they worry about speaking up, but they’ve got great advocates anyway, speaking up.

All across Asia, they’re doing incredible stuff. Also you’ve got Nancy Lucas down in New Zealand who helps everyone out. She’s does some great work down there.

All over the world people are fighting, people in Canada and the people I work with in America, consumers are really working hard. I just think that it is absolutely fantastic to be a part of that.

Do you see the UK becoming anti-vaping in the future?

Not in the immediate future, but you have to always remain vigilant because nothing’s over. It only takes a change of government and a couple of people who come into government with different views and the whole thing goes the other way and you’re fighting again.

The more people who advocate the better. I always call for more people in the UK, especially regarding this question!

Always if you see something you don’t like, write to your MP about it and just make them know you’re around.

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

Well, my biggest aspiration, I want to see Snus legalised in the UK. Yeah. Simple as that. I mean, I would have a party.

What do you feel is going well regarding THR in the UK?

Well, we’re fantastic on vaping. I went to a panel in Warsaw and they were all saying, “oh, we need to be as good on harm reduction as the UK”. And they kept saying this.

I put my hand up and said, look, I have to tell you something. We’re not good at harm reduction in the UK. We’re good at vaping but we’re not doing enough on trying to get Snus legalised.

There’s quite a few people I know, who can’t get on with vaping but they think heated tobacco is brilliant. I love that. But we’re not really pushing that.

We’re also not really doing much with nicotine pouches. The Government are saying “we’ll allow you to sell them”. They go all in on backing vaping, which is brilliant but they should be also advocating for nicotine pouches and for other safer nicotine products, which people who can’t get on with vaping can use instead. And we’re not.

People in public health have admitted that banning Snus was a mistake. Well, repeal it then, get rid of it. We’re not in the EU anymore. You don’t have to answer to them. You can regulate it, keep it, regulate it. We could legalise it and regulate it tomorrow. They should be doing that.

The reason is because they don’t like anything made by the tobacco industry and Snus is made by the tobacco industry, especially now that PMI has bought Swedish match. Most of the nicotine pouches are made by the tobacco industry and that’s why they don’t really want to talk about them. But they should be talking about those just as much as vaping because surely if those things can help people quit smoking that’s what they should be doing.

If you could give an Ecigclick award to any person, product, company in the vaping industry or advocacy circle, who would that be? Or what brand?

Oh, I don’t know. I think, Clive (Bates) has written something about South Africa today. We did a consultation response to South Africa and Israel at the end of last week, and he’s done a fantastic job. I think he’s the best advocate we’ve got. It’s because of his experience in Civil Service that he knows a lot of stuff and he works hard. I don’t know where he finds the time to do much of what he does as well.

It’s just the workload he gets through is amazing. I think he used to work in Number 10 so he comes from that background. Whereas, you know, a lot of us, especially me, I’m just a consumer – I’m just a Gobshite really. I’m just a mouthy consumer is the way I’ve described myself.

Thank You Martin

Martin – I would like to thank you so much for taking the time for this interview with me and just being there for me to pick your (well stocked) brains in general! Oh and I don’t think you are a Gobshite at all!

It is great we have such committed and passionate people fighting for tobacco harm reduction!

You can find Martin on Twitter / X here – NannyFreeState

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In my latest “THR Superstars” interview I put some questions to Michael Landl – the director of the WVA (World Vapers’ Alliance).

You will have seen Michael if you follow THR (Tobacco Harm Reduction) on social media and the WVA do an excellent job in educating and fighting for the rights of those who wish to use safer nicotine alternatives!

Tell me a little about your life and career so far…

I serve as the Director of the World Vapers’ Alliance (WVA), focusing on representing nicotine consumers and promoting harm reduction through vaping.

I studied at the University of St. Gallen before working for several public policy outlets and the German Parliament as a personal advisor for a member of parliament. So I was writing many briefings and speeches during that time. I am from Austria and based in Vienna. Hopefully, that excuses my Arnie-like accent.

Have you been a smoker? If so how long did you smoke for?

Unfortunately, I started smoking when I was around 16 because I thought it was cool and definitely not for the taste. I kept smoking for 12 years till I got my first vape in my hand and became an “accidental quitter” within two weeks. Since then, I have been completely smoke-free thanks to vaping and the occasional pouch.

Do you vape? If so when did you start? What was your first kit?

I started vaping in 2016, and my first kit was a basic pen-style e-cigarette. I can’t even remember which one because I never expected it to get me off cigarettes – but within two weeks, I was smoke-free and loved it.

How did vaping change your life?

This experience opened my eyes to the potential of vaping. At the time, I had so many friends and colleagues who were still smoking and started to become a vivid advocate for vaping.

What kits stand out for you in your vaping journey and what is your current set up? What kind of device do you prefer?

I am very reluctant to change my setup. Therefore, I am using already for years the Aspire Zelos X and the Caliburn-Uwell. I am an MTL user, and those seem to work best for me. But I am always open to recommendations .

What flavour is your preference?

I prefer fruity flavours, particularly Berry blends and my Evergreen Green Apple.

When did you first become involved in vaping advocacy / tobacco harm reduction and why?

I first became involved in 2018 after seeing how vaping was being misrepresented in the media and misunderstood by regulators. At the time, I was working in the German Parliament, and talks about tighter vaping regulations started. During that time, I realised how little the actual decision-makers know about vaping and soon after, I started to work with the WVA.

I think that the work of the WVA and that our partners are doing is crucial to keep politicians accountable and consider the real people affected by the popular views and harmful policies.

What current roles do you hold within THR?

I serve as the Director of the WVA, leading our efforts to support vaping advocacy globally.

My primary responsibility is to lead the WVA’s efforts in supporting vaping advocacy groups worldwide and engage with policymakers and regulators to promote sensible vaping regulations.

WVA is comprised of a vast network of vaping enthusiasts and activists. We have 35 organisations in our community, we work with vape shops and many individuals who are trying to do their share of advocacy in their communities. In addition, I frequently comment on vaping-related issues in the media and have spoken at various conferences and events.

What current projects / campaigns are you working on?

We have a multi-faceted approach to our advocacy efforts.

First, we are promoting the Swedish success story, which has almost achieved a smoke-free status by endorsing harm reduction, and we encourage other countries to follow their lead.

Second, we’re part of an international campaign (WVA Mythbusters) designed to combat misinformation and debunk the most common myths about vaping.

Third, we’re advocating a nuanced approach towards disposable vapes and are participating in several public consultations.

Prohibition doesn’t work. It never has, and it never will. A ban on disposable vapes will not eliminate the demand but shift it from regulated to illicit markets, creating negative, unintended public health consequences.
Should be obvious…https://t.co/BINSu863cF

— Michael Landl (@LandlMichael) September 15, 2023

Lastly, our next big campaign focus is COP10, where we’re in the planning stages for our involvement in Panama. We’ll definitely be there alongside many activists to ensure our voices are heard.

What do you feel needs to change regarding tobacco harm reduction Worldwide?

We need more evidence-based regulation, less moral panic, and more consumer-friendly approaches. We try to advocate for risk-based regulation wherever we can.

What do you feel is not working regarding THR in the world right now?

There’s a significant misinformation problem and a reactionary stance among regulators that ignores scientific evidence. This hurts current smokers who are misinformed about the actual risk of alternatives and keeps them from switching, and it hurts vapers because it makes it harder to stay away from cigarettes.

Any countries you feel are succeeding in THR?

The UK and Sweden have been particularly progressive in their approach to THR. Their regulation is not perfect, but I think the best we have worldwide.

How would you advise vapers to get involved and stand up for their rights?

Join your national advocacy groups and the WVA, be vocal on social media, and engage with policymakers. Every voice counts, and our own stories are our most powerful tools. We just need to get them out there.

Have you ever been “star struck” meeting people who you admire – so who?

Unfortunately, I only met him online so far, but interviewing Ethan Nadelmann during World Vape Day 2022, a pioneer in the THR space, was a fanboy moment for me, and I think you can see and hear it a bit.

What is your proudest moment in your advocacy career?

Successfully advocating against over-regulation in several countries has been a high point for me.

The takedown of a possible flavour ban in Sweden was definitely my and WVA’s highlight. Together with local activists, we campaigned for months against it, and finally, the parliament voted against it.

Additionally, I think the WVA added a needed voice to the advocacy world. There are many great organisations out there, but our bold activism added the missing piece, I think.

Together, we can change things; unfortunately, we sometimes underestimate our consumer power.

What would be a campaign you would love to start if there were no obstacles?

A global campaign educating doctors and healthcare providers on the benefits of vaping over smoking would be fantastic, and an expansion of our “Beat Smoking Like The Swedes” campaign—a global initiative aiming to reduce smoking through adopting harm-reduction technologies and practices similar to Sweden.

I’d love to have activities with all 35 national partner organisations and help them spread awareness among society and national politicians.

Countries like the UK & Sweden lead the way in reducing smoking rates through open approaches to alternative nicotine products. Let’s learn from their success and make smoke-free goals a reality! #HarmReduction
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— Michael Landl (@LandlMichael) August 13, 2023

Who (or W.H.O. haha ) is the biggest enemy when it comes to tobacco harm reduction?

Unfortunately, your hint is correct. WHO’s stance on vaping has been more hindrance than help, and what we hear from COP10 is that it will get much worse if we don’t fight back.

On a more general level, I think misinformation is still the biggest enemy of THR progress.

Too many people are grossly misinformed about nicotine and different delivery methods. And the ways how misinformation is being spread are way too many.

Is there a message you would like to give our readers?

Stay informed, stay engaged, and always advocate for your right to a less harmful alternative to smoking, and get involved with consumer organisations. We are not anecdotes, we are proof that harm reduction works.

Finally, if you could give an “Ecigclick Award” to any person, product, or company in the vaping industry / advocacy circle – who / what would it be?

For me, clearly, Clive Bates. His work in “translating” science for consumers and engaging in worldwide policy discussions is outstanding and super helpful for us activists.

Thank You!

Thank you so much to Michael for taking time to chat with me for this interview.

I would like to congratulate him and the whole WVA team for all the hard work they do to stand up for the rights of us vapers!

You can connect with Michael on Twitter / X here – LandlMichael

Or with the WVA here on…

• Twitter / X – vapers_alliance
• Facebook – worldvapersalliance
• Instagram – vapers_alliance

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